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  • SnowyS Snowy

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

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    @Snowy said in Exodus:

    @sparky said in Exodus:

    Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

    Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

    And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.

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    • sparkyS sparky

      @Snowy said in Exodus:

      @sparky said in Exodus:

      Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

      Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

      And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.

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      @sparky said in Exodus:

      @Snowy said in Exodus:

      @sparky said in Exodus:

      Poaching talent plugs holes, but it isn't going to work long-term as a talent development system.

      Eddie doesn't give a shit, he is a mercenary short term guy. Can't blame him, other people have to do the development role.

      And he's brilliant at that short-term role. But ultimately the guys who look at systems and structures and align them to the vision are going to bring more success in the long term.

      Just pointing out that it isn't his job and noted that the "other" guys and girls have to do their bit.

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        Oh great. Now he has to sever ties with England too.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

          Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

          It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

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          @sparky said in Exodus:

          Eddie Jones has repeatedly said it's not his job to write the eligibility rules, it's his job to prepare the best possible team for England to the very best of his ability.

          Whatever decision Hoskins Sotutu makes is up to him. He will know his career goals and his own Rugby identity. He has to think as well about his post-Rugby career and the very real possibility that injury could cut his career short.

          It would be a stunning coup by Eddie Jones and the RFU if they could get Hoskins Sotutu of the Blues and former NZ under-20 international to commit to playing for England. But dear God, what would it say about Ian Foster and NZR if they let such an obvious outstanding talent slip through their fingers?

          Next cab off the rank?

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            Barrett to Japan for 2 years? Thought he only had provision for 1.

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              A bit more info. That rumour about Beauden Barrett comes from the Daily Mail. Wait and see whether it's true and whether the length of the deal is correct. I agree @mofitzy_, I also thought he only had a sabbatical clause for one season.

              All Blacks superstar Beauden Barrett has agreed a multi-million pound move to Suntory Sungoliath as the exodus of players to Japan continues.

              The double World Player of the Year has agreed a two-year deal with the franchise, worth £780,000 (NZ$1.5m) per season.

              Sportsmail understands the 29-year-old full-back, who also plays No 10, will join up with his new side after this year’s autumn internationals.

              It means he will not represent the All Blacks for two years, however the New Zealand Rugby Union agreed to the deal to help ease the financial strain of COVID-19.

              Barrett and his All Blacks team-mates are centrally contracted, allowing New Zealand control over their players on the international stage.

              His absence will cost the team arguably their best player but free up crucial funds to help deal with the lack to Test rugby during the Covid-19 crisis.

              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-8483301/New-Zealand-superstar-Beauden-Barrett-agrees-huge-780-000-year-deal-join-Suntory-Sungolith.html

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              • StargazerS Stargazer

                A bit more info. That rumour about Beauden Barrett comes from the Daily Mail. Wait and see whether it's true and whether the length of the deal is correct. I agree @mofitzy_, I also thought he only had a sabbatical clause for one season.

                All Blacks superstar Beauden Barrett has agreed a multi-million pound move to Suntory Sungoliath as the exodus of players to Japan continues.

                The double World Player of the Year has agreed a two-year deal with the franchise, worth £780,000 (NZ$1.5m) per season.

                Sportsmail understands the 29-year-old full-back, who also plays No 10, will join up with his new side after this year’s autumn internationals.

                It means he will not represent the All Blacks for two years, however the New Zealand Rugby Union agreed to the deal to help ease the financial strain of COVID-19.

                Barrett and his All Blacks team-mates are centrally contracted, allowing New Zealand control over their players on the international stage.

                His absence will cost the team arguably their best player but free up crucial funds to help deal with the lack to Test rugby during the Covid-19 crisis.

                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-8483301/New-Zealand-superstar-Beauden-Barrett-agrees-huge-780-000-year-deal-join-Suntory-Sungolith.html

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                @Stargazer Beauden seems to have become a peripheral figure at the Blues. He should be playing 10 and calling the shots as he did at the Hurricanes. Not surprised he is looking at other options.

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                • sparkyS sparky

                  @Stargazer Beauden seems to have become a peripheral figure at the Blues. He should be playing 10 and calling the shots as he did at the Hurricanes. Not surprised he is looking at other options.

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                  @sparky
                  I'd say this has way less to do with the Blues than the financial situation of NZR. Offload your highest paycheck for 2 years knowing he'll be back likely fresher than when he left and in time for another RWC.

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                  • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

                    @sparky
                    I'd say this has way less to do with the Blues than the financial situation of NZR. Offload your highest paycheck for 2 years knowing he'll be back likely fresher than when he left and in time for another RWC.

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                    @mofitzy_ said in Exodus:

                    @sparky
                    I'd say this has way less to do with the Blues than the financial situation of NZR. Offload your highest paycheck for 2 years knowing he'll be back likely fresher than when he left and in time for another RWC.

                    Good luck to Beauden. I hope he makes lots and lots and lots of Yen in Japan.

                    Then comes home to Hurricanes and plays 1st 5 for free.

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                    • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

                      @sparky
                      I'd say this has way less to do with the Blues than the financial situation of NZR. Offload your highest paycheck for 2 years knowing he'll be back likely fresher than when he left and in time for another RWC.

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                      @mofitzy_ good luck to him ousting Mitch Hunt for the top job at the RWC.

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                      • RapidoR Rapido

                        He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

                        But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

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                        @Rapido said in Exodus:

                        He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

                        But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

                        Yeah, he even kept up the charade by picking him for a few tests before discarding him when it actually counted

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                        • juniorJ junior

                          @Rapido said in Exodus:

                          He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

                          But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

                          Yeah, he even kept up the charade by picking him for a few tests before discarding him when it actually counted

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                          @junior said in Exodus:

                          @Rapido said in Exodus:

                          He also wouldn't be doing his 'eddie' job if he didn't attempt to wind up some kiwis.

                          But, then again, he actually went through with it with Brad Shields ...

                          Yeah, he even kept up the charade by picking him for a few tests before discarding him when it actually counted

                          You could say that he "dropped" Brad, which would be appropriate.

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                            Confirmed as a 1 season sabbatical for Beauden Barrett. Will only miss 2021 Super Rugby. Back for 2021 test rugby (who knows what that will look like).

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                              Confirmed: Beauden Barrett to play in Japan next season

                              Barrett, who signed a four-year deal with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues last year, will miss next year’s Super Rugby season and play for the Suntory Sungoliath club based in Tokyo, before returning to New Zealand for the 2021 international season. He will then remain in New Zealand for the rest of his contract until 2023.

                              The plan to play in Japan in 2021 is part of Barrett’s four-year deal agreed last year with New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the Blues.

                              https://www.allblacks.com/news/barrett-to-play-in-japan-next-season/

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                              • StargazerS Stargazer

                                Confirmed: Beauden Barrett to play in Japan next season

                                Barrett, who signed a four-year deal with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues last year, will miss next year’s Super Rugby season and play for the Suntory Sungoliath club based in Tokyo, before returning to New Zealand for the 2021 international season. He will then remain in New Zealand for the rest of his contract until 2023.

                                The plan to play in Japan in 2021 is part of Barrett’s four-year deal agreed last year with New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the Blues.

                                https://www.allblacks.com/news/barrett-to-play-in-japan-next-season/

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                                @Stargazer
                                Don't know where they got the 2 years from. 1 season is much better.

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                                  That sort of works out well for the Blues because we still have Otere Black contracted for next season. It would've been a massive blow for us if Beauden took his sabbatical in 2022 and Otere left in 2022 too.

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                                  • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

                                    @Stargazer
                                    Don't know where they got the 2 years from. 1 season is much better.

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                                    @mofitzy_ said in Exodus:

                                    @Stargazer
                                    Don't know where they got the 2 years from. 1 season is much better.

                                    UK press, those that care about rugby rather than soccer, would do anything to belittle NZ and ABs rugby? I mean could you imagine the furour if a former AB Captain had been banned for drug use - on a 3rd strike? The Walrus would die of happiness in an explosion of vitriol. In the UK, SA & Boks (pretty much rampant by the numbers of school boys) drug abuse is barely mentioned. Not mentioned here much either, as they are our SANZAAR partners, and biggest foes.

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                                      Fuck off Beauden stay in Japan.

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                                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                        Fuck off Beauden stay in Japan.

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                                        @mariner4life said in Exodus:

                                        Fuck off Beauden stay in Japan.

                                        Sorry what is going on?

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                                          Barrett is the tip of the iceberg now. He's a full-on mercenary. 1 year at the Blues and then his bitch ass* is off to Japan to prolong what in my opinion is a career in decline. I think COVID will see a lot of players making that same jaunt to cash grab. They've been stung in the pocket and they only have a small window to be worthy of larger paydays. I don't begrudge them that given the way things are.

                                          *hes a bitch ass because he should have stayed at the canes not because he fucking off.

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