Japan vs All Blacks
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I really enjoyed seeing these fellas have a go and it didn't look a million miles away from our top team at times against minnows - do enough to get the win inside half an hour then fits and starts with an easy "d" day.
Not at all worried about a c team defensive performance. You get those young eager players together for a strange one off game, where a win is vital, and you're not going to spend a week cluttering them with stringent defence strategies. Let em run, it worked a treat.
Watched on replay and the first half fern comments were typically emotional. How anyone could not see this game as a win after Mounga's try, is curious.
Similarly anyone thinking a close to 1st XV was going to play Aus, Jpn, Eng, Ire and Italy on successive weeks, with the travel has obviously not been paying attention since 2007. Bemoaning the selections for superior players is to deny the realities of the contemporary AB way.
Great stuff c team, if you like, a great boon for AB succession planning.
Well done fish heads, lots of positives from that fixture and nary a negative
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I enjoyed that way more than i thought i would. Watching the noobs have a crack was pretty fun, and i think they all played pretty well.
Stand outs for me were Hemopo, TTT, and Proctor. Mounga was good for the most part as well.
Fucking George Bridge. Comes on and instantly looks the best player in the field. I would be very happy to see him start next week. Class.
End of Jordie Barretts AB career in the short term?Already sort of on the outer, he was dogshit in the game. Fifita the other one who i thought did himself no favours. Patty T looks way better off the bench than he ever does starting.
Cool occasion, Japan had a crack, but were never really in the game
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I think bridge is a future candidate for that right wing / hybrid fullback role that has worked so well for us .
That’s my main concern with naholo, with reiko at 11 , I think the above type player gives us better balance .
@kiwiinmelb said in Japan vs All Blacks:
I think bridge is a future candidate for that right wing / hybrid fullback role that has worked so well for us .
That’s my main concern with naholo, with reiko at 11 , I think the above type player gives us better balance .
Bridge has a touch of the Doug Howlett about him, and it’s not because they both seem to love their hair....
Quick, knows the try line, good chase and pretty good in traffic.
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@act-crusader said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
#learntotackle
#heisabettertacklerthansivivatu
I don't remember there being lots of complaints about Sivi's defence back in the day ... but it was so long ago now.
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@tim said in Japan vs All Blacks:
Hansen blamed Whitelock for the charge-down?
@duluth ffs Hansen sees no wrong in Jordie Barrett ,go back over this year he has had a poor year and has been charged down a few times.
He’s slow when punting the ball you could have 10 blockers in front he still would punt from the front line like a draught horse and will continue to have charge downs.
Why was Mounga taking the high catch kick offs and not the much taller Barrett who stayed in the pocket for the clearance. -
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@act-crusader said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
#learntotackle
#heisabettertacklerthansivivatu
And he got dropped for poor defence and we started the current trend of two full backs and one winger. So your point is....?
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@duluth ffs Hansen sees no wrong in Jordie Barrett ,go back over this year he has had a poor year and has been charged down a few times.
He’s slow when punting the ball you could have 10 blockers in front he still would punt from the front line like a draught horse and will continue to have charge downs.
Why was Mounga taking the high catch kick offs and not the much taller Barrett who stayed in the pocket for the clearance.@chris said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@duluth ffs Hansen sees no wrong in Jordie Barrett ,go back over this year he has had a poor year and has been charged down a few times.
Totally agree. Look at the trajectory of JB's kicks. He kicks the ball so low that chargedowns are always a possibility.
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I still believe Barrett could have played a few more years at NPC /Super level before taking that step up to International. I've got no doubts he is going to be a long term All Black, but right now I think he should be back home cooling his heels for the summer.
Long term I see his best position being 12 where he looked fairly impressive in the lower grades, however with Laumape starting to show a full array of skills there may not be any room, especially at the Hurricanes anyway. As a Canes fan, I 100% agree thay J Barrett should be swapped out for Bridge, for the remainder of the end of year tour.
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@chris said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@duluth ffs Hansen sees no wrong in Jordie Barrett ,go back over this year he has had a poor year and has been charged down a few times.
Totally agree. Look at the trajectory of JB's kicks. He kicks the ball so low that chargedowns are always a possibility.
@bovidae said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@chris said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@duluth ffs Hansen sees no wrong in Jordie Barrett ,go back over this year he has had a poor year and has been charged down a few times.
Totally agree. Look at the trajectory of JB's kicks. He kicks the ball so low that chargedowns are always a possibility.
Getting 2010 flashbacks to comments about Dagg
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@chris said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@duluth ffs Hansen sees no wrong in Jordie Barrett ,go back over this year he has had a poor year and has been charged down a few times.
Totally agree. Look at the trajectory of JB's kicks. He kicks the ball so low that chargedowns are always a possibility.
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@act-crusader said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
#learntotackle
#heisabettertacklerthansivivatu
And he got dropped for poor defence and we started the current trend of two full backs and one winger. So your point is....?
@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
#learntotackle
#heisabettertacklerthansivivatu
And he got dropped for poor defence and we started the current trend of two full backs and one winger. So your point is....?
Sivi’s defence was dire when he started with the Chiefs and he still got selected for the ABs. So your point is?
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@tim I noticed that about two or three times during the game.
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I still believe Barrett could have played a few more years at NPC /Super level before taking that step up to International. I've got no doubts he is going to be a long term All Black, but right now I think he should be back home cooling his heels for the summer.
Long term I see his best position being 12 where he looked fairly impressive in the lower grades, however with Laumape starting to show a full array of skills there may not be any room, especially at the Hurricanes anyway. As a Canes fan, I 100% agree thay J Barrett should be swapped out for Bridge, for the remainder of the end of year tour.
@canes4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:
I still believe Barrett could have played a few more years at NPC /Super level before taking that step up to International. I've got no doubts he is going to be a long term All Black, but right now I think he should be back home cooling his heels for the summer.
Good point. I'm all for blooding the young kids and getting a look at them in black, but looking at 21 and under players blooded this century blindly persevering with players who don't make every post a winner after their debut has not been a great strategy.
The northern apprenticeship in hindsight boxed them into a corner to pick him the following year
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@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader said in Japan vs All Blacks:
@machpants said in Japan vs All Blacks:
#learntotackle
#heisabettertacklerthansivivatu
And he got dropped for poor defence and we started the current trend of two full backs and one winger. So your point is....?
Sivi’s defence was dire when he started with the Chiefs and he still got selected for the ABs. So your point is?
@act-crusader my point is it used to be ok for wingers to be try scoring machines and nothing else. Look at the greatest, Lomu. Nowadays it's not enough, same as tight five forward are expected to be able to catch and pass, wingers are expected to be able to tackle. Saying it's ok for a winger of today to be a poor tackler in the ABs because those of the past weren't good on defence is nonsense. I was disagreeing with that premise
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Slowed down:
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@canes4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:
I still believe Barrett could have played a few more years at NPC /Super level before taking that step up to International. I've got no doubts he is going to be a long term All Black, but right now I think he should be back home cooling his heels for the summer.
Good point. I'm all for blooding the young kids and getting a look at them in black, but looking at 21 and under players blooded this century blindly persevering with players who don't make every post a winner after their debut has not been a great strategy.
The northern apprenticeship in hindsight boxed them into a corner to pick him the following year
@rotated I don't really see Jordie being that future fullback anyway with the second coming of Christian Cullen, aka Will Jordan probably staking claim to that jersey down the track.
A Jordie Barrett-Jack Goodhue midfield combo would do nicely for me.
Possible backline post World Cup: 9. Perenara 10. Mo'unga 11. Ioane 12. J Barrett 13. Goodhue 14. Bridge 15. Jordan
