Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@gt12 so he misses 1 tackle a game then. That’s hardly a sackable offence. There is a sting in how he hits rucks and is a nuisance in slowing ball. His tight play has allowed other props to flourish that are more ball running inclined. He is a key lifter at lineout time and his hands are superb when he is used to catch flat bullets from Smith.
Thought that would send off the bat sign.
Lately (i.e., last five or 6 games), it's pretty much always two actual missed tackles, and I wonder if that is because he is getting tired?
He did well against Australia, but less well against the French. Overall, I have him at about 78% success for this year, and 1.9 missed tackles over 80 minutes across 10 matches - including the three matches where he missed none. Source: ESPN stats
vs England, 44 minutes, made 6, missed 2 (75%, 3.6 for 80 minutes)
vs Australia (Tokyo), 52 minutes, made 5, missed 2 (71%, 3.1 for 80 minutes)
vs SA (in SA), 45 minutes, made 9, missed 2 (82%, 3.6 for 80 minutes)
vs SA (Wellington), 48 minutes, made 2, missed 1 (66%, 1.7 for 80 minutes)
vs Argentina (Nelson), 46 minutes, made 3, missed 2 (60%, 3.5 for 80 minutes)
vs Aus (Auckland), 51 minutes, made 11, missed 0 (100%, 0 for 80 minutes)
vs Aus (Sydney), 58 minutes, made 8, missed 0 (100%, 0 for 80 minutes)
vs France (Dunedin), 45 minutes, made 10, missed 2 (83%, 3.6 for 80 minutes)
vs France (Wellington), 33 minutes, made 3, missed 3 (50%, 7.3 for 80 minutes)
vs France (Auckland), 57 minutes, made 5, missed 0 (100%, 0 for 80 minutes) -
Something that may be a positive for Franks, is that for some reason he still draws tacklers, even though he pretty much goes to ground before he even reaches them. With nothing to back this up - it's pretty rare to turnover from a Franks carry and I'd say it's often quick ball (obviously goes hand-in-hand with a negative or zero metres carry).
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Something that may be a positive for Franks, is that for some reason he still draws tacklers, even though he pretty much goes to ground before he even reaches them. With nothing to back this up - it's pretty rare to turnover from a Franks carry and I'd say it's often quick ball (obviously goes hand-in-hand with a negative or zero metres carry).
Could be? These turnovers aren't necessarily from carries, but ESPN says:
vs England, 44 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Australia (Tokyo), 52 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (in SA), 45 minutes, 0 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (Wellington), 48 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Argentina (Nelson), 46 minutes, 7 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnovers
vs Aus (Auckland), 51 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Aus (Sydney), 58 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 1 turnovers
vs France (Dunedin), 45 minutes, 3 runs, 2 metres, 0 turnovers
vs France (Wellington), 33 minutes, 4 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnover
vs France (Auckland), 57 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnoversWe all know he's not much of a ball runner.
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Could be? These turnovers aren't necessarily from carries, but ESPN says:
vs England, 44 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Australia (Tokyo), 52 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (in SA), 45 minutes, 0 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs SA (Wellington), 48 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Argentina (Nelson), 46 minutes, 7 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnovers
vs Aus (Auckland), 51 minutes, 4 runs, 1 metres, 0 turnovers
vs Aus (Sydney), 58 minutes, 3 runs, 0 metres, 1 turnovers
vs France (Dunedin), 45 minutes, 3 runs, 2 metres, 0 turnovers
vs France (Wellington), 33 minutes, 4 runs, 3 metres, 1 turnover
vs France (Auckland), 57 minutes, 4 runs, 0 metres, 0 turnoversWe all know he's not much of a ball runner.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Joe Stanley was the big hard midfielder of that era and was under 90kg if I recall correctly.
Just makes me realise how much the AB selectors missed a trick by not picking Marty 'Chuck' Berry. He woulda absolutely dominated.
According to his stats, he was 83kg. That's probably lighter than Andrew Mehrtens.
That’s not saying much.Have you seen Mehrtens lately?
He was at the cafe when I had breakfast with Joe Moody , Jerome Kaino , Damien McKenzie and Liam Squire . Mehrts defence was always a bit suspect but he can tackle any buffet by the looks of him. -
Saw Fitzy on Saturday. Looked fit enough to carry Mehrts under one arm to said buffet without breaking sweat.
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Saw Fitzy on Saturday. Looked fit enough to carry Mehrts under one arm to said buffet without breaking sweat.
Did you ask him out for breakfast? Just seeing him doesn't count.
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Marshall had the ability to take a game by the scruff of the neck in a way other halfbacks couldn't, aside from maybe Weepu. From memory the 2003 RWC game against Wales. There's a lot to admire about that, but it's an easy vote for Smith for me. He makes the rest of the team play better, which is what I consider to be the halfback's key role.
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@ACT-Crusader and @gt12 I think one of Owen's extra roles is to carry the aura!! But more seriously I think he does have some intimidation factor around scrummaging and ruck clean outs etc. Plus every now again he REALLY tags people in the tackle.
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@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
Randall could also only do two chin ups at Highlanders training. This is less than @Rocky-Rock-Rockbottom rock and @NTA
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@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
@bovidae said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@booboo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Isn't Marshall the losingest All Black? More losses than any other?
I think he is. 19 losses in 81 tests. Edit: Mehrts also had 19 test losses but in 70 tests.
@Paekakboyz Randell had 14 losses in 51 tests.
The men in mustard were in their prime back then, which had plenty to do with those stats.
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
I don't get the reference to your post and fern-retarded?
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@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
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@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
I don't get the reference to your post and fern-retarded?
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@bones said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@hooroo said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Man this thread has become 'fern-retarded'
Marshall v Smith? Good grief!
Says the guy living every young girls childhood dream, go tend to your ponies.
I don't get the reference to your post and fern-retarded?
Prexactly.
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@ACT-Crusader and @gt12 I think one of Owen's extra roles is to carry the aura!! But more seriously I think he does have some intimidation factor around scrummaging and ruck clean outs etc. Plus every now again he REALLY tags people in the tackle.
@paekakboyz said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader and @gt12 I think one of Owen's extra roles is to carry the aura!! But more seriously I think he does have some intimidation factor around scrummaging and ruck clean outs etc. Plus every now again he REALLY tags people in the tackle.
Number one is that he provides a strong and stable scrum. Very rare that he goes backwards and he doesn't seem to get penalized much - especially compared to whomever plays loosehead.
I though Laulala had some trouble on Saturday coming off the bench, where Owen didn't starting.
You don't rush to get rid of that.
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Wikipedia's "History of rugby union matches between Ireland and New Zealand" currently has a draw, the other 29 games won by Ireland. Id post a screenshot if i knew how.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_Ireland_and_New_Zealand
friggin midget leprechauns -
Wikipedia's "History of rugby union matches between Ireland and New Zealand" currently has a draw, the other 29 games won by Ireland. Id post a screenshot if i knew how.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_Ireland_and_New_Zealand
friggin midget leprechauns@zephyr said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Wikipedia's "History of rugby union matches between Ireland and New Zealand" currently has a draw, the other 29 games won by Ireland. Id post a screenshot if i knew how.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rugby_union_matches_between_Ireland_and_New_Zealand
friggin midget leprechaunsFixed. Until another potato headed 12 year old gets to find the edit function on wikipedia.
