2019 Rugby Championship
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I know not many will agree with me, but I'm disappointed - but not surprised - that David Havili isn't in the squad. He played better than Jordie Barrett all season.
@Stargazer said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
I know not many will agree with me, but I'm disappointed - but not surprised - that David Havili isn't in the squad. He played better than Jordie Barrett all season.
I think Jordie’s goal kicking ability is attractive in a smaller WC squad.
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
So, aside from the undroppable SBW, who's the luckiest fecker in the Squad, do you think?
How about who's the most unluggy poor bugger that missed out?
For me the luckiest forward is actually Matt Todd. He's a sader, so can't play the first game, and won't be going to Japan (outside of injuries to Ardie or Cane) - he's just another of the bloated number of loose forwards. We know he can cut it, and is first on the plane if injuries strike. I guess he's there cos Ardie has put in the time over SR, and doesn't need much more over RC. Backs it's Jordie, who has the ability to feck oop so badly as to lose us the cup - obviously an SBW who's highlights since RWC15 is a little good defence along with being injured often, a waste of a spot in the 7s team, and losing us the Lions tour is majorly lucky that the Wise Men believe his experience is so useful.
Unluggy would be Havili, better than Jordie but I guess isn't that 3rd 10 covering one RWC pool game for our 2 normal tens
England were leading 15-0 til he went off and Crotty replaced him. Of course this could be coincidence.
@MN5 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
So, aside from the undroppable SBW, who's the luckiest fecker in the Squad, do you think?
How about who's the most unluggy poor bugger that missed out?
For me the luckiest forward is actually Matt Todd. He's a sader, so can't play the first game, and won't be going to Japan (outside of injuries to Ardie or Cane) - he's just another of the bloated number of loose forwards. We know he can cut it, and is first on the plane if injuries strike. I guess he's there cos Ardie has put in the time over SR, and doesn't need much more over RC. Backs it's Jordie, who has the ability to feck oop so badly as to lose us the cup - obviously an SBW who's highlights since RWC15 is a little good defence along with being injured often, a waste of a spot in the 7s team, and losing us the Lions tour is majorly lucky that the Wise Men believe his experience is so useful.
Unluggy would be Havili, better than Jordie but I guess isn't that 3rd 10 covering one RWC pool game for our 2 normal tens
England were leading 15-0 til he went off and Crotty replaced him. Of course this could be coincidence.
Not specifically standing up for SBW but how exactly did he contribute to the 15 point deficit?
From my recollection (and I did a Mr Mike using the stop/go function on Foxtel) was he made one mistake. And that was still a fucking good option, in that the grubber didn't quite bounce the right way.
Am not an SBW fan or apologist but do see how he has to perform to perfection to allay some people's expectations.
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@number9 Cos the AB selectors know more about selecting than you, I guess. He's been good, and has long term upsides. They're developing like they did Ardie, apprentice etc. he turned out alright in the end.
I hope one of those extended number of lose forwards stands up and grips the 6 position, cos there are tons of almost players there. It will be worse if none do cos then we may have an undercooked Squire pulled in. ALso I really hope SBW either totally owns it or totally stuffs up. As with 6, midfield is a mess and really needs time together - IMO ABs tests are not he place to bring a player up to speed. And SBW is well off pace, and Crotty out for entire RC - a mess.
Just what we need at a RWC, midfield conundrums - goes really well that.
That has got to the most piss weak arguement for a selection that I have ever read. Aumua has had a terrible season, Ardie was brilliant from the get go. No comparison it is like comparing a jet engine to your Morris Minor.
@number9 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@number9 Cos the AB selectors know more about selecting than you, I guess. He's been good, and has long term upsides. They're developing like they did Ardie, apprentice etc. he turned out alright in the end.
I hope one of those extended number of lose forwards stands up and grips the 6 position, cos there are tons of almost players there. It will be worse if none do cos then we may have an undercooked Squire pulled in. ALso I really hope SBW either totally owns it or totally stuffs up. As with 6, midfield is a mess and really needs time together - IMO ABs tests are not he place to bring a player up to speed. And SBW is well off pace, and Crotty out for entire RC - a mess.
Just what we need at a RWC, midfield conundrums - goes really well that.
That has got to the most piss weak arguement for a selection that I have ever read. Aumua has had a terrible season, Ardie was brilliant from the get go. No comparison it is like comparing a jet engine to your Morris Minor.
Not sure Ardie and Asafo were/are competing for the same position
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So, aside from the undroppable SBW, who's the luckiest fecker in the Squad, do you think?
How about who's the most unluggy poor bugger that missed out?
For me the luckiest forward is actually Matt Todd. He's a sader, so can't play the first game, and won't be going to Japan (outside of injuries to Ardie or Cane) - he's just another of the bloated number of loose forwards. We know he can cut it, and is first on the plane if injuries strike. I guess he's there cos Ardie has put in the time over SR, and doesn't need much more over RC. Backs it's Jordie, who has the ability to feck oop so badly as to lose us the cup - obviously an SBW who's highlights since RWC15 is a little good defence along with being injured often, a waste of a spot in the 7s team, and losing us the Lions tour is majorly lucky that the Wise Men believe his experience is so useful.
Unluggy would be Havili, better than Jordie but I guess isn't that 3rd 10 covering one RWC pool game for our 2 normal tens
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
For me the luckiest forward is actually Matt Todd. He's a sader, so can't play the first game, and won't be going to Japan (outside of injuries to Ardie or Cane) - he's just another of the bloated number of loose forwards. We know he can cut it, and is first on the plane if injuries strike.
Todd is unsurprising, based on the injury tolls of 2011 and 2015 my bet is that they want the shadow 31-man squad + all potential first call ups in the environment for some period this year pre-RWC.
RadioSport only caught half the Q&A with the selectors, but did they mention if they had their match-day squads tentatively mapped out for this brace of tests, because the squad seems seriously heavy unless the key ABs that go to Argentina are rested against the Boks (or Crusaders don't come back for that either).
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Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
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Does anyone else think Brad Weber is this year's Brendon Leonard?
I'd really prefer T-Cube.
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So the game against Argentina is 2 weeks after the super rugby final.... why can’t the players in the final play this match? 2 weeks........
@Yeahtheboys said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
So the game against Argentina is 2 weeks after the super rugby final.... why can’t the players in the final play this match? 2 weeks........
Do you want our players to be at their peak in October? They need these mini breaks for that to happen.
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@number9 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@number9 Cos the AB selectors know more about selecting than you, I guess. He's been good, and has long term upsides. They're developing like they did Ardie, apprentice etc. he turned out alright in the end.
I hope one of those extended number of lose forwards stands up and grips the 6 position, cos there are tons of almost players there. It will be worse if none do cos then we may have an undercooked Squire pulled in. ALso I really hope SBW either totally owns it or totally stuffs up. As with 6, midfield is a mess and really needs time together - IMO ABs tests are not he place to bring a player up to speed. And SBW is well off pace, and Crotty out for entire RC - a mess.
Just what we need at a RWC, midfield conundrums - goes really well that.
That has got to the most piss weak arguement for a selection that I have ever read. Aumua has had a terrible season, Ardie was brilliant from the get go. No comparison it is like comparing a jet engine to your Morris Minor.
Not sure Ardie and Asafo were/are competing for the same position
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@number9 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@number9 Cos the AB selectors know more about selecting than you, I guess. He's been good, and has long term upsides. They're developing like they did Ardie, apprentice etc. he turned out alright in the end.
I hope one of those extended number of lose forwards stands up and grips the 6 position, cos there are tons of almost players there. It will be worse if none do cos then we may have an undercooked Squire pulled in. ALso I really hope SBW either totally owns it or totally stuffs up. As with 6, midfield is a mess and really needs time together - IMO ABs tests are not he place to bring a player up to speed. And SBW is well off pace, and Crotty out for entire RC - a mess.
Just what we need at a RWC, midfield conundrums - goes really well that.
That has got to the most piss weak arguement for a selection that I have ever read. Aumua has had a terrible season, Ardie was brilliant from the get go. No comparison it is like comparing a jet engine to your Morris Minor.
Not sure Ardie and Asafo were/are competing for the same position
Ardie is too tall to play hooker.
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@Tim said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
So who's going to start at six?
If Ardie is going 8, I'd probably opt for Papali'i. Reckon they'll be looking hard at Frizzell and Hemopo though with Read playing the role he is these days. Jacobson to show he's a perfect bench man.
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@Bones Is he big enough at international level for a 6? I thought Blake Gibson, though injured and except for his hands, physically was more imposing.
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@Bones Is he big enough at international level for a 6? I thought Blake Gibson, though injured and except for his hands, physically was more imposing.
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Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight
He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts
Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player
But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10
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@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Luckiest back is Jordie. At least SBW has some runs on the board for the ABs unlike Jordie.
Jordie B is well worth his spot Cover #10 #12 #13 #14 #15
Havilli cover #12 and #15
Havilli is not as good a player as Jordie B so he'll have wait in line like Laumape for the 2020 team or hope someone gets injured to make 2019 RWC squad
Jordie Barrett can kick goals from 50 + meters. This is a quality which can win a WC. But as an all round player, Havili has been better than JB during the whole SR competition.
Fair pont about goal kicking Jordie did it regularly for Canterbury AFAIK
Havilli plays for a better SR team & has played better this year than Jordie
But I'm not taking Havilli over Jordie B full stop
Havilli is next on line for the 2023 RWC cycle starting in 2020
He can wait in line along Laumape
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@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight
He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts
Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player
But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight
He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts
Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player
But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10
He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game
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@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight
He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts
Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player
But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10
He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game
@Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:
Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.
Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.
Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight
He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts
Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player
But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10
He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game
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I see we have a Phil Kearns clone on this forum
Jaguares were the 2nd best team the Hurricanes played this year and the Canes got dusted up
Playing average sides and looking good don't mean shit in Super Rugby
I'll make it simple for you.......
Jaguares are club side playing Super Rugby
Argentina is a country in South America who have an International rugby side called Los Pumas
If you require any more explanations, I'd be happy to help you
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I can see the theory in picking Aumua.
If they can iron out his creases his upside is huge. Far bigger upside than Harris or Coltman.
They believe he has matured a lot since he showed up overweight to Super Rugby last year so they prob think he is in a good spot to develop.
If it doesn't work you can always go back to Nathan Harris if needed.
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I can see the theory in picking Aumua.
If they can iron out his creases his upside is huge. Far bigger upside than Harris or Coltman.
They believe he has matured a lot since he showed up overweight to Super Rugby last year so they prob think he is in a good spot to develop.
If it doesn't work you can always go back to Nathan Harris if needed.
Fair enough but Aumua not making RWC squad unless there are multiple injuries to hookers
He's likely to be on wok experience, carrying water and holding tackle bags
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Fair enough but Aumua not making RWC squad unless there are multiple injuries to hookers
He's likely to be on wok experience, carrying water and holding tackle bags
