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2019 Rugby Championship

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  • BonesB Bones

    @Tim said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

    So who's going to start at six?

    If Ardie is going 8, I'd probably opt for Papali'i. Reckon they'll be looking hard at Frizzell and Hemopo though with Read playing the role he is these days. Jacobson to show he's a perfect bench man.

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    @Bones Is he big enough at international level for a 6? I thought Blake Gibson, though injured and except for his hands, physically was more imposing.

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      @Bones Is he big enough at international level for a 6? I thought Blake Gibson, though injured and except for his hands, physically was more imposing.

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      @broughie only one way to find out....certainly plays an abrasive game.

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        @Bones Is he big enough at international level for a 6? I thought Blake Gibson, though injured and except for his hands, physically was more imposing.

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        @broughie
        Luke Jacobson is bigger than Blake Gibson. I support Bones concerning Jacobson's abrasiveness. He hits hard in the tackle and is not a penalty magnet. He is also very quick for a loose forward that is why he can also play on the open side.

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        • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

          Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

          Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

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          @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

          Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

          Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

          Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

          He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

          Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

          But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

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            @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

            @KiwiMurph said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

            Luckiest back is Jordie. At least SBW has some runs on the board for the ABs unlike Jordie.

            Jordie B is well worth his spot Cover #10 #12 #13 #14 #15

            Havilli cover #12 and #15

            Havilli is not as good a player as Jordie B so he'll have wait in line like Laumape for the 2020 team or hope someone gets injured to make 2019 RWC squad

            Jordie Barrett can kick goals from 50 + meters. This is a quality which can win a WC. But as an all round player, Havili has been better than JB during the whole SR competition.

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            @cgrant

            Fair pont about goal kicking Jordie did it regularly for Canterbury AFAIK

            Havilli plays for a better SR team & has played better this year than Jordie

            But I'm not taking Havilli over Jordie B full stop

            Havilli is next on line for the 2023 RWC cycle starting in 2020

            He can wait in line along Laumape

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              @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

              Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

              Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

              Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

              He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

              Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

              But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

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              @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

              @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

              Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

              Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

              Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

              He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

              Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

              But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

              He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game

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              • HoorooH Hooroo

                @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

                Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

                Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

                He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

                Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

                But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

                He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game

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                @Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

                Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

                Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

                He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

                Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

                But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

                He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game

                :face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                I see we have a Phil Kearns clone on this forum 🤡

                Jaguares were the 2nd best team the Hurricanes played this year and the Canes got dusted up

                Playing average sides and looking good don't mean shit in Super Rugby

                I'll make it simple for you.......

                Jaguares are club side playing Super Rugby

                Argentina is a country in South America who have an International rugby side called Los Pumas

                If you require any more explanations, I'd be happy to help you 🙏

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                  I can see the theory in picking Aumua.

                  If they can iron out his creases his upside is huge. Far bigger upside than Harris or Coltman.

                  They believe he has matured a lot since he showed up overweight to Super Rugby last year so they prob think he is in a good spot to develop.

                  If it doesn't work you can always go back to Nathan Harris if needed.

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                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                    I can see the theory in picking Aumua.

                    If they can iron out his creases his upside is huge. Far bigger upside than Harris or Coltman.

                    They believe he has matured a lot since he showed up overweight to Super Rugby last year so they prob think he is in a good spot to develop.

                    If it doesn't work you can always go back to Nathan Harris if needed.

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                    @KiwiMurph

                    Fair enough but Aumua not making RWC squad unless there are multiple injuries to hookers

                    He's likely to be on wok experience, carrying water and holding tackle bags

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                      @KiwiMurph

                      Fair enough but Aumua not making RWC squad unless there are multiple injuries to hookers

                      He's likely to be on wok experience, carrying water and holding tackle bags

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                      @Jaguares4real Yeah he's still bloody young (just turned 22).

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                        @Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

                        Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

                        Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

                        He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

                        Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

                        But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

                        He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game

                        :face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                        I see we have a Phil Kearns clone on this forum 🤡

                        Jaguares were the 2nd best team the Hurricanes played this year and the Canes got dusted up

                        Playing average sides and looking good don't mean shit in Super Rugby

                        I'll make it simple for you.......

                        Jaguares are club side playing Super Rugby

                        Argentina is a country in South America who have an International rugby side called Los Pumas

                        If you require any more explanations, I'd be happy to help you 🙏

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                        @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        @Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        @ACT-Crusader said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                        Aumua is a very surprising selection. Sure he may have promise but he has had a bad case of 2nd season blues. He’s been pretty poor overall this season.

                        Other than that not too many surprises and I do like most of the additions.

                        Aumua is a flashy player but can't throw straight

                        He was awful in the Jagaures games with his darts

                        Aumua is not sniffing the RWC squad unless Coles, Coltman & Harris get injured Until his throwing improves he'll remain a Mitre 10 star player

                        But nobody outside of NZ cares about Mitre 10

                        He played some other teams too this year apart from Argentina. Argentina is hardly the litmus test of a good or bad game

                        :face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                        I see we have a Phil Kearns clone on this forum 🤡

                        Jaguares were the 2nd best team the Hurricanes played this year and the Canes got dusted up

                        Playing average sides and looking good don't mean shit in Super Rugby

                        I'll make it simple for you.......

                        Jaguares are club side playing Super Rugby

                        Argentina is a country in South America who have an International rugby side called Los Pumas

                        If you require any more explanations, I'd be happy to help you 🙏

                        Sorry! They just all look the same to me!

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                        • SammyCS SammyC

                          Hansen re Akira:

                          It’s the same problem he’s always had, came into the season not fit enough. He played every game for the blues and at the same time was trying to get fit so he’s a tired athlete. We didn’t see the best of him during super rugby.

                          We know what’s under the surface, we just need him to take ownership. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink.

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                          @SammyC said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                          Hansen re Akira:

                          It’s the same problem he’s always had, came into the season not fit enough. He played every game for the blues and at the same time was trying to get fit so he’s a tired athlete. We didn’t see the best of him during super rugby.

                          We know what’s under the surface, we just need him to take ownership. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink.

                          Spot on, I am afraid. I was hoping after the NPC that Akira had learned the errors of his ways but his fitness and attitude were disappointing in Super Rugby this year. Could be fantastic, but could be isn't good enough.

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                          • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                            @cgrant With Aumua the All Blacks probably see an opportunity to unleash a beast, whereas Harris has probably reached his ceiling in terms of potential.

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                            @Canes4life said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                            @cgrant With Aumua the All Blacks probably see an opportunity to unleash a beast, whereas Harris has probably reached his ceiling in terms of potential.

                            Actually I'm pleased to see Aumua there. It is obvious that Taylor, Coles and Coltman are the top three. Harris is a safe, but dull back up. Aumua has lots of potential. The All Blacks coaches are backing themselves to improve him. Probably see him as more coachable than Akira Ioane. I thought Aumua played well in the last few rounds of Super Rugby. Certainly fitter.

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                            • number9N number9

                              So how does that drop kick Aumua make the ABs when he has played like shit all season.

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                              @number9 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                              So how does that drop kick Aumua make the ABs when he has played like shit all season.

                              Nah, Aumua's done well in the last few rounds.

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                Luckiest back is Jordie. At least SBW has some runs on the board for the ABs unlike Jordie.

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                                @KiwiMurph said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                                Luckiest back is Jordie. At least SBW has some runs on the board for the ABs unlike Jordie.

                                Clearly you missed those four tries that Jordie scored on his last outing with the ABs.............

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                                • CanerbryC Canerbry

                                  SBW in and Havili not is a miscarriage of justice.

                                  Pure sponsorship/politics/manure, and it should forever shut you fucks up moaning about players getting in just because they're red & black.

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                                  @Canerbry said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                                  SBW in and Havili not is a miscarriage of justice.

                                  Pure sponsorship/politics/manure, and it should forever shut you fucks up moaning about players getting in just because they're red & black.

                                  I would have loved to see Will Jordan in the ABs squad as I think he has the acceleration carrying the ball in two hands to trouble even organised test defences but he got injured at the wrong time. Havili is okay, but wouldn't have picked him ahead of any of the other back three players in the AB squad.

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                                  • sparkyS sparky

                                    @number9 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                                    So how does that drop kick Aumua make the ABs when he has played like shit all season.

                                    Nah, Aumua's done well in the last few rounds.

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                                    @sparky said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                                    @number9 said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                                    So how does that drop kick Aumua make the ABs when he has played like shit all season.

                                    Nah, Aumua's done well in the last few rounds.

                                    He didn't even get off the bench in the SF.

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                                      Steve Hansen rates SBW as the best player athletically he's worked with. He will give him every opportunity to show form ahead of the RWC.

                                      Problem is that time is running out for Sonny. I wished he had done the same as Liam Squire and pulled out. Can't see him in the squad if Ryan Crotty is fit.

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                                        Hansen spoke about Aumua quite a bit.

                                        Said he's an amazing athlete who has worked very hard on his fitness after showing up last year out of shape. He also said he still has a lot of work to do on his scrummaging and lineout throwing but they see a lot of potential in him.

                                        That seems to suggest he's the number 4 hooker and is there in a development role.

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                                          @KiwiMurph

                                          Fair enough but Aumua not making RWC squad unless there are multiple injuries to hookers

                                          He's likely to be on wok experience, carrying water and holding tackle bags

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                                          @Jaguares4real said in 2019 Rugby Championship:

                                          @KiwiMurph

                                          Fair enough but Aumua not making RWC squad unless there are multiple injuries to hookers

                                          He's likely to be on wok experience, carrying water and holding tackle bags

                                          World Cup is in Japan, not China

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