Has Hansen gone stale?
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@rancid-schnitzel I think it was all just part of NZ rugby badly losing its way around the turn of the century.
We were about to lose the World Cup hosting rights and the whole tenor of NZ Rugby had changed towards corporatization.
In the spirit of @booboo - here's just about the only post I've ever saved from a messageboard...from 1999!
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I find Wales easier to support, so that's why I married my one.
This thread has gone a bit awry...
again.
@snowy my wider point was that there is really only one thread with one topic. And I love it. A loss against Ireland has me reading (and posting on) the fern again. You little beauty. This is what it is to feel alive! I think we should merge them all into one big wankfest of glorious self abuse and loathing.
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@bovidae you don't know Richard McCall? He was pretty handy (for a Cantab). Gave Marty Holah a bit of competition for openside in the early 00's. Not sure what became of him. Went overseas (possibly to Tokoroa) I think.
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Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
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@nzzp It was 2002; the first link you posted is the epic 2000 game.
Here is a match report - good luck finding footage: http://www.espn.com.au/rugby/report?gameId=24259&league=244293
Australia have retained the Bledisloe Cup and kept their Tri Nations chances alive with a 16-14 victory over New Zealand in Sydney.
Wallaby outside-centre Matt Burke slotted a penalty after the siren had sounded to inflict Bledisloe devastation on the All Blacks yet again. It follows John Eales' penalty at Wellington in 2000 and Toutai Kefu's match-winning try in Sydney last year.
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It was the Wallabies' eighth win against the All Blacks in 11 games, while it was John Mitchell's first loss in 10 games as All Blacks coach. The Wallaby victory also means the Tri Nations is still up for grabs with even the Springboks having an outside chance of taking the title providing they win the final two games in South Africa.
The All Blacks looked to have the game won with a 14-8 lead on 71 minutes after trailing 8-3 at half-time. The Wallabies fell asleep in the second half, but a jinking try to league convert Mat Rogers in the 71st minute ensured a tense finish.
And certainly so when Burke's simple conversion hit the upright to leave the All Blacks in front 14-13.
The Wallabies scored two tries to one, but the boot of Andrew Mehrtens almost proved the difference with three penalties. Burke managed just one from two, but none are likely to be as memorable as his final kick.
The Wallabies should have had a greater lead at half-time if not for a series of turnovers and a poor decision by South African referee Andre Watson to deny Wallaby hooker Jeremy Paul a try in the 31st minute.
Watson judged that Wallaby prop Patricio Noriega obstructed the defence getting across to Paul from a ruck just short of the line, but replays suggested otherwise. As it was the decision did not matter.
What mattered was how the Wallabies collapsed after half-time following a dominant first half. Lock Nathan Sharpe put the Wallabies ahead 5-0 in the 16th minute with Burke adding his first penalty in the 35th minute for an 8-3 lead.
Mehrtens then put the All Blacks on the board with a penalty just before the break. And it was enough to spark his side into action as they totally controlled the game for the 30 minutes after half-time.
Mehrtens reduced the lead to 8-6 with a penalty in the 46th minute, then a mistake by the Wallabies on their own lineout close to the tryline allowed All Blacks flanker Richard McCaw to score the easiest of tries and hand his side an 11-8 lead.
The All Blacks had all the momentum from that point with the entire game played in opposition territory as the Wallabies blundered from one turnover and penalty to another.
The All Blacks were quite happy to kick possession back to the Wallabies who struggled under the pressure and with only some scrambling defence saving the day.
But for all their dominance during this period, the All Blacks could manage just three points through a Mehrtens penalty in the 51st minute.
"There's something about this place, it always seems to go down to the final minute," said Australian skipper George Gregan.
"It was a real heartbreaker," said All Blacks skipper Reuben Thorne. "We always knew it was going to be a close one. It's a tough loss."
Scoreboard
AUSTRALIA 16 Tries: Nathan Sharpe, Mat Rogers Goals: Matthew Burke 2 pen
NEW ZEALAND 14 Try: Richard McCall try Goals: Andrew Mehrtens 3 pen
Crowd: 79,543 At Telstra Stadium Referee: Andre Watson
@dejo interesting reading that article and the tone compared tot he whingefest stuff that is produced these days (not just Aus media)
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@nzzp It was 2002; the first link you posted is the epic 2000 game.
Here is a match report - good luck finding footage: http://www.espn.com.au/rugby/report?gameId=24259&league=244293
Australia have retained the Bledisloe Cup and kept their Tri Nations chances alive with a 16-14 victory over New Zealand in Sydney.
Wallaby outside-centre Matt Burke slotted a penalty after the siren had sounded to inflict Bledisloe devastation on the All Blacks yet again. It follows John Eales' penalty at Wellington in 2000 and Toutai Kefu's match-winning try in Sydney last year.
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It was the Wallabies' eighth win against the All Blacks in 11 games, while it was John Mitchell's first loss in 10 games as All Blacks coach. The Wallaby victory also means the Tri Nations is still up for grabs with even the Springboks having an outside chance of taking the title providing they win the final two games in South Africa.
The All Blacks looked to have the game won with a 14-8 lead on 71 minutes after trailing 8-3 at half-time. The Wallabies fell asleep in the second half, but a jinking try to league convert Mat Rogers in the 71st minute ensured a tense finish.
And certainly so when Burke's simple conversion hit the upright to leave the All Blacks in front 14-13.
The Wallabies scored two tries to one, but the boot of Andrew Mehrtens almost proved the difference with three penalties. Burke managed just one from two, but none are likely to be as memorable as his final kick.
The Wallabies should have had a greater lead at half-time if not for a series of turnovers and a poor decision by South African referee Andre Watson to deny Wallaby hooker Jeremy Paul a try in the 31st minute.
Watson judged that Wallaby prop Patricio Noriega obstructed the defence getting across to Paul from a ruck just short of the line, but replays suggested otherwise. As it was the decision did not matter.
What mattered was how the Wallabies collapsed after half-time following a dominant first half. Lock Nathan Sharpe put the Wallabies ahead 5-0 in the 16th minute with Burke adding his first penalty in the 35th minute for an 8-3 lead.
Mehrtens then put the All Blacks on the board with a penalty just before the break. And it was enough to spark his side into action as they totally controlled the game for the 30 minutes after half-time.
Mehrtens reduced the lead to 8-6 with a penalty in the 46th minute, then a mistake by the Wallabies on their own lineout close to the tryline allowed All Blacks flanker Richard McCaw to score the easiest of tries and hand his side an 11-8 lead.
The All Blacks had all the momentum from that point with the entire game played in opposition territory as the Wallabies blundered from one turnover and penalty to another.
The All Blacks were quite happy to kick possession back to the Wallabies who struggled under the pressure and with only some scrambling defence saving the day.
But for all their dominance during this period, the All Blacks could manage just three points through a Mehrtens penalty in the 51st minute.
"There's something about this place, it always seems to go down to the final minute," said Australian skipper George Gregan.
"It was a real heartbreaker," said All Blacks skipper Reuben Thorne. "We always knew it was going to be a close one. It's a tough loss."
Scoreboard
AUSTRALIA 16 Tries: Nathan Sharpe, Mat Rogers Goals: Matthew Burke 2 pen
NEW ZEALAND 14 Try: Richard McCall try Goals: Andrew Mehrtens 3 pen
Crowd: 79,543 At Telstra Stadium Referee: Andre Watson
@dejo said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Here is a match report - good luck finding footage: http://www.espn.com.au/rugby/report?gameId=24259&league=244293
Was at this game. Brutal finish. Will look for this game on an old hard drive tomorrow but most of it is in this compilation.
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@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
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@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice [INSERT] with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
[INSERT] with Wayne Smith responsible for attack and strategy [/INSERT]
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@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
But what has he done since? Glasgow is hardly blazing new ground. He’s a decent enough coach but not AB head coach imo.
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@chester-draws said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
yea, the choke narrative was always kind of annoying
91 we were beaten by a better team trending up, while we were trending down (sounds familiar)
95 beaten by a narrative.
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
03 completely out thought. Our plan wasn't good enough to beat their plan. Leon MacDonald's fault
07 Perfect storm of shit that could possibly go wrong in a rugby game, of which an element of choking played a part. Also Leon MacDonald's fault.We actually had the best team at 95 and 2007, and that's what hurt so much. But games aren't played on paper.
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
'99 - wasn't that the year all the rugby journos & NZ rugby public seemed to run a concerted campaign to play Cullen, the best fullback in the world, at 13?
And the AB selectors duly obliged, giving new meaning to the phrase "Never get what you wish for"...
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@frank said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Rennie is one of the most overrrated coaches. Initial success with the Chiefs then very average.
Overrated mostly by Nepia. Not sure who else is stroking his schlong.
Wheres the yawn emoji? Wins Super rugby twice with long term failures the Chiefs, wins three U20s in a row and lulls us into thinking they're easy until we start loosing a few, takes over a basket case province when their coach quits and makes them way more competitive than they should be. Oh, also won a rare NPC for Wellington when he was a baby coach back in the day.
But yeah, overrated and average.
But what has he done since? Glasgow is hardly blazing new ground. He’s a decent enough coach but not AB head coach imo.
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Aren't they leading their competition pool and didn't they lead their pool last year too? If I'm wrong, I apologize, but what's expected of him?
@gt12 said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Aren't they leading their competition pool and didn't they lead their pool last year too? If I'm wrong, I apologize, but what's expected of him?
Maybe he is expected to be a Cantabrian. Or maybe an ex All Black. Something important, no doubt.
Rennie's track record, starting with teams considered very average, is exemplary. Even better, he actually brings a fresh set of ideas to the game.
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God 2002 was shit year.
Highlights the games v South Africa, a good win at home, and a win in Durban. But the world's most boring game v the Wallabies, then a loss. Took the Taine/Jonah/Cully farewell tour away with a squad guaranteeing they would lose, and they did.
Our team was so underwhelming, the results were a bit shit, just a forgettable year.
Funnily enough, until the World Cup in 2011, the only year i had been to more than one AB test (Fiji and Saffers in Wellington)
Mark fucking Robinson at centre over Tana!!!
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
God 2002 was shit year.
Highlights the games v South Africa, a good win at home, and a win in Durban. But the world's most boring game v the Wallabies, then a loss. Took the Taine/Jonah/Cully farewell tour away with a squad guaranteeing they would lose, and they did.
Our team was so underwhelming, the results were a bit shit, just a forgettable year.
Funnily enough, until the World Cup in 2011, the only year i had been to more than one AB test (Fiji and Saffers in Wellington)
Mark fucking Robinson at centre over Tana!!!
14 Cantabs and Jonah....who started at 14 i think cos Caleb Ralph was 11?!?!?
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
God 2002 was shit year.
Highlights the games v South Africa, a good win at home, and a win in Durban. But the world's most boring game v the Wallabies, then a loss. Took the Taine/Jonah/Cully farewell tour away with a squad guaranteeing they would lose, and they did.
Our team was so underwhelming, the results were a bit shit, just a forgettable year.
Funnily enough, until the World Cup in 2011, the only year i had been to more than one AB test (Fiji and Saffers in Wellington)
Mark fucking Robinson at centre over Tana!!!
14 Cantabs and Jonah....who started at 14 i think cos Caleb Ralph was 11?!?!?
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@taniwharugby I see Mark Reason has left the reservation.
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@taniwharugby I see Mark Reason has left the reservation.
@antipodean was he ever on it?
Outrage must generate alot of clicks for Stuff!
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