All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I agree, not only are they both inexperienced, it's also 2 SR teams getting fucked
Would be a boon for the Blues, would be happy to see Coventry caretaker.
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I agree, not only are they both inexperienced, it's also 2 SR teams getting fucked
Would be a boon for the Blues, would be happy to see Coventry caretaker.
I presume that's based on his Head Coaching record at London Irish and your aspirations for the Blues?
Only person that would be a boon for would be Leon!
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So it seems that many of the top candidates for the AB Head Coach have been negotiating for months with other international unions. 6 months in the case of Dave Rennie and Rugby Australia. NZ Rugby's refusal to initiate this process until well after the RWC looks to have been a terribly flawed approach - because all the other top candidates have jobs elsewhere. Ian Foster will be the last man standing, which is unbelievable given the number of talented NZ coaches that are around Rugby globally.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So it seems that many of the top candidates for the AB Head Coach have been negotiating for months with other international unions. 6 months in the case of Dave Rennie and Rugby Australia. NZ Rugby's refusal to initiate this process until well after the RWC looks to have been a terribly flawed approach - because all the other top candidates have jobs elsewhere. Ian Foster will be the last man standing, which is unbelievable given the number of talented NZ coaches that are around Rugby globally.
They could have started 12 months ago and got nowhere because nobody is interested in a 26 candidate process.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So it seems that many of the top candidates for the AB Head Coach have been negotiating for months with other international unions. 6 months in the case of Dave Rennie and Rugby Australia. NZ Rugby's refusal to initiate this process until well after the RWC looks to have been a terribly flawed approach - because all the other top candidates have jobs elsewhere. Ian Foster will be the last man standing, which is unbelievable given the number of talented NZ coaches that are around Rugby globally.
They could have started 12 months ago and got nowhere because nobody is interested in a 26 candidate process.
@Godder said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
They could have started 12 months ago and got nowhere because nobody is interested in a 26 candidate process.
The 26 candidate process was a debacle, with NZR desperate to appear like they were looking as far and wide as possible and that the search was genuine. The timing of this process has been a debacle and NZR's refusal to formally look for Hansen's replacement until after the RWC now seems to be deeply flawed. To me this entire recruitment process seems like a sham and it's seems quite obvious that Ian Foster was always going to be appointed. This is a head coach who was in charge of Waikato and the Chiefs for a combined 10 seasons, resulting in zero titles and a winning percentage of 53%.
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The Herald article is spot on about Foster's team. Foster: Head Coach, Plumtree: Forwards. Schmidt: Backs. McLeod: Defence.
If Razor's Assistants are that weak then he has no chance. A better team for Robertson would be. Robertson:Head Coach, Gibbes: Forwards, O'Gara: Backs. Deans: Defence/ Counter attack
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@Godder said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
They could have started 12 months ago and got nowhere because nobody is interested in a 26 candidate process.
The 26 candidate process was a debacle, with NZR desperate to appear like they were looking as far and wide as possible and that the search was genuine. The timing of this process has been a debacle and NZR's refusal to formally look for Hansen's replacement until after the RWC now seems to be deeply flawed. To me this entire recruitment process seems like a sham and it's seems quite obvious that Ian Foster was always going to be appointed. This is a head coach who was in charge of Waikato and the Chiefs for a combined 10 seasons, resulting in zero titles and a winning percentage of 53%.
@Cantab79 damned if they do, damned if they dont.
If they started the process before the RWC people would be bitching about it distracting the players and being the reason we lost.
Now as we lost 2 top candidates people moaning the process was wrong.
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Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
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Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
Coached at a high level.
Like a few other coaches I could refer to.
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Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
@Old-Samurai-Jack Bloody right. Sat there and got fat and comfortable by all accounts.
Bloody minus fart-all zero of a game plan in RWC and for heavyweight teams when it counted over the past couple of years too. -
Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
I'm not a supporter of Foster, but 8 years as assistant coach to one of the most successful eras in one of th emost successful AB sides of all time.
Hansen clearly rates him.
Wayne Smith (godlike reputation that we have) worked with him for 4+ years, and appears to rate him. Has been in media saying he's changed, don't judge him on the Chiefs. Wayne-O is the preferred assistant of everyone on the board, but we're not listening to what he has to say about somoene he knows well and worked with for 4 years.
So Foster has (on paper) a really strong CV for what works at the top level, and the support of very influential and good coaches. If he wasn't excellent - why the hell would Hansen and Smith hold on to him for so long?
Finally, I was not coninced about Hansen when he was appointed. His apparent attitude and demeanour and coaching capability in 11 didn't fill me with joy; not much inWales, not much with the Saders. Got that one wrong happily... he's been a revelation in the job. Hope to christ the same thing would happen if it's Fossie.... it just feels so wrong.
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If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
@pakman around the time the first AB test...not a stretch to see him given that extra time if he is keen.
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This article made some relevant points, in particular the comments from the anonymous coach.
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If he had the rumoured team, I'd be happy. But it really needs a two year break clause, in case of emergency (shit performances)
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If he had the rumoured team, I'd be happy. But it really needs a two year break clause, in case of emergency (shit performances)
I think it needs to be an initial 2 yr contract regardless of who gets the job.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If he had the rumoured team, I'd be happy. But it really needs a two year break clause, in case of emergency (shit performances)
I think it needs to be an initial 2 yr contract regardless of who gets the job.
@Bovidae said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If he had the rumoured team, I'd be happy. But it really needs a two year break clause, in case of emergency (shit performances)
I think it needs to be an initial 2 yr contract regardless of who gets the job.
I agree
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@pakman around the time the first AB test...not a stretch to see him given that extra time if he is keen.
@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman around the time the first AB test...not a stretch to see him given that extra time if he is keen.
Agreed. If Schmidt backed one or t'other I'd say NZRU would be very accommodating.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
So Schmidt has it locked in then
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@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
So Schmidt has it locked in then
@Nevorian said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@pakman said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If, big IF, the article is right about the assistants Fozzie is a walk in. And rightly so - I don't think that is a bad group 'rumoured'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12287698
UK Telegraph reports today that Schmidt is having time out from rugby until at least June 2020.
So Schmidt has it locked in then
Early season sabbatical then into the black?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Just want to ask a question. What has Foster done to deserve the top job? Please answer without referring or comparing to another person.
I'm not a supporter of Foster, but 8 years as assistant coach to one of the most successful eras in one of th emost successful AB sides of all time.
Hansen clearly rates him.
Wayne Smith (godlike reputation that we have) worked with him for 4+ years, and appears to rate him. Has been in media saying he's changed, don't judge him on the Chiefs. Wayne-O is the preferred assistant of everyone on the board, but we're not listening to what he has to say about somoene he knows well and worked with for 4 years.
So Foster has (on paper) a really strong CV for what works at the top level, and the support of very influential and good coaches. If he wasn't excellent - why the hell would Hansen and Smith hold on to him for so long?
Finally, I was not coninced about Hansen when he was appointed. His apparent attitude and demeanour and coaching capability in 11 didn't fill me with joy; not much inWales, not much with the Saders. Got that one wrong happily... he's been a revelation in the job. Hope to christ the same thing would happen if it's Fossie.... it just feels so wrong.
@nzzp Relevant argument there. However, all we have is his previous record and the ABs over the last 2 years when he apparently had a bit of an influence. I get the feeling his influence was strong in the last RWC. As I have written previously, the flaws in the ABs in the last few years seem to parallel the problems the Chiefs had. How can you not be concerned?
