Cricket: NZ vs Aus
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First time in a while I've doubted young Kane. I can forgive his shot, just, with a bit of mental manipulation, but bowling Blundell after lunch had an odour of white flag about it.
More of a prayer than a plan and 3 overs for a net bowler at a crucial restart is as unfathomable as it is unforgivable.
It's not the losing of the game ( series) but it's not the way I wanted us to go down.
Look, it's now clear that you need proper quick bowlers to win in Aus. South Africa a great example, and India with Bumrah, Ishant and Sami all got the job done with splice hitting pace and bounce. Just like in India you need good spin bowlers, so it is with pace to ocker batsmen.
It was well noted on here that we're good, very good, at building good pressure but lack the killer blow. That's been the story so far where the Aussie batsmen have been so diligent and only Wags can get something other than some lovely play and misses. Their partnership batting was superb.
We've come to the lucky country with lots of hope and achievements, but not enough raw pace ( or Patel) and countered that with a non bowler, at any form of cricket, opening up after lunch.
Me thinks Kane's not 100%. Tired? Too much going on?
Oh well perhaps this is the day (out of the previous 6!) where we finally show some black caps fortitude and an indication that we belong in the company of the top 3 sides in the world.
Good luck boys, show your stuff today. We're waiting....
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We're still a chance to win this if Ross bats the next two days, and we declare overnight Day 4 with a 250 run lead, and try roll them on a Day 5 pitch for an innings victory.
Would need Ross to beat his best score of 290 from Perth a few years back though....#foreverhopeful
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Draw is the best we can hope for now, and even then the odds aren't great that our batsmen can hold up against that pace attack
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Draw is the best we can hope for now, and even then the odds aren't great that our batsmen can hold up against that pace attack
Absolutely. Rossco score a shitload, and then Santner rips through them on day 5. Perfect plan...
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@Snowy I find O'Keefe the most annoying, because he's the most Aussie flag-waving - closest to a throw-back to the old Channel 9. I guess he played with Chappelli so a bit of the arse gene was bound to rub off.
What the Aussies have done well is get Michael Vaughan and Isa into the team - which along with having Smithy there, makes things a lot less abrasive. Also Gilchrist seems very even handed, so even though we're getting our arses handed to us we're not getting 6 hours of relentless criticism and jingoism.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Snowy I find O'Keefe the most annoying, because he's the most Aussie flag-waving - closest to a throw-back to the old Channel 9. I guess he played with Chappelli so a bit of the arse gene was bound to rub off.
KOK was an after dinner speaker at a conference I attended a number of years ago. He was fucking hilarious. And can confirm he is no fan of Ian Chappell.
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People criticising O'Keefe obviously never listened to him on the ABC. Laughing at his jokes is his schtick. There is absolutely nothing arrogant about it though. Heaps of his humour is self-depreciating. He will talk about how he is the least penetrative bowler in test history (has the highest ratio of wickets as catches).
@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
People criticising O'Keefe obviously never listened to him on the ABC. Laughing at his jokes is his schtick. There is absolutely nothing arrogant about it though. Heaps of his humour is self-depreciating. He will talk about how he is the least penetrative bowler in test history (has the highest ratio of wickets as catches).
I like the title of one of his books: Turn, Turn, Turn ... please!
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@hydro11 said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
People criticising O'Keefe obviously never listened to him on the ABC. Laughing at his jokes is his schtick. There is absolutely nothing arrogant about it though. Heaps of his humour is self-depreciating. He will talk about how he is the least penetrative bowler in test history (has the highest ratio of wickets as catches).
I like the title of one of his books: Turn, Turn, Turn ... please!
@booboo said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
I like the title of one of his books: Turn, Turn, Turn ... please!
That's pretty good. The problem I had was that he would find it hilarious, rather than leave other people to laugh. I'll give him another chance and try to ignore his giggling when he says something witty. He may well have been better on radio as someone mentioned. It was a pre match or lunch panel show when the cameras were on him and his smirking at his own jokes was a bit off. I may also be a bit intolerant... As I said he does make some good analytical comments though.
Unfortunately the biggest joke at the moment is the Black caps and I haven't found that funny either.
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@hydro11 I liked K O'K on the radio and I like his humour.
But, I don't think he does an even-handed commentary on TV.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@hydro11 I liked K O'K on the radio and I like his humour.
But, I don't think he does an even-handed commentary on TV.
I don't mind him. The Fox team are a world away from the bores that used to inhabit 9. Healy used to give me the shits
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@ACT-Crusader said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
We're not out of the game by any stretch. Losing Kane was a blow but we've got plenty of batting. If Ross can score big we are right in the contest. Big day for the Caps tomorrow, the whole series rests in it.
Yeah nah.
We won't win, we basically gave that option away when we chose to bowl. But it's a flat pitch and we have a lot of quality players, we should be backing ourselves to get the draw out of this.
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@ACT-Crusader said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
We're not out of the game by any stretch. Losing Kane was a blow but we've got plenty of batting. If Ross can score big we are right in the contest. Big day for the Caps tomorrow, the whole series rests in it.
Yeah nah.
We won't win, we basically gave that option away when we chose to bowl. But it's a flat pitch and we have a lot of quality players, we should be backing ourselves to get the draw out of this.
Yeah - we've got 18 wickets in hand and we need to bat for two and a bit days.
Dig in for the first session today - blunt the Aussie quicks a bit and we're a decent shot at a draw.
Lose 3+ wickets and we're staring 2-0 in the face.
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@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@ACT-Crusader said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
We're not out of the game by any stretch. Losing Kane was a blow but we've got plenty of batting. If Ross can score big we are right in the contest. Big day for the Caps tomorrow, the whole series rests in it.
Yeah nah.
We won't win, we basically gave that option away when we chose to bowl. But it's a flat pitch and we have a lot of quality players, we should be backing ourselves to get the draw out of this.
Yeah - we've got 18 wickets in hand and we need to bat for two and a bit days.
Dig in for the first session today - blunt the Aussie quicks a bit and we're a decent shot at a draw.
Lose 3+ wickets and we're staring 2-0 in the face.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
bat for two and a bit days.
When was the last time we did that? More specifically in Aus?
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First time in a while I've doubted young Kane. I can forgive his shot, just, with a bit of mental manipulation, but bowling Blundell after lunch had an odour of white flag about it.
More of a prayer than a plan and 3 overs for a net bowler at a crucial restart is as unfathomable as it is unforgivable.
It's not the losing of the game ( series) but it's not the way I wanted us to go down.
Look, it's now clear that you need proper quick bowlers to win in Aus. South Africa a great example, and India with Bumrah, Ishant and Sami all got the job done with splice hitting pace and bounce. Just like in India you need good spin bowlers, so it is with pace to ocker batsmen.
It was well noted on here that we're good, very good, at building good pressure but lack the killer blow. That's been the story so far where the Aussie batsmen have been so diligent and only Wags can get something other than some lovely play and misses. Their partnership batting was superb.
We've come to the lucky country with lots of hope and achievements, but not enough raw pace ( or Patel) and countered that with a non bowler, at any form of cricket, opening up after lunch.
Me thinks Kane's not 100%. Tired? Too much going on?
Oh well perhaps this is the day (out of the previous 6!) where we finally show some black caps fortitude and an indication that we belong in the company of the top 3 sides in the world.
Good luck boys, show your stuff today. We're waiting....
@Siam said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
First time in a while I've doubted young Kane. I can forgive his shot, just, with a bit of mental manipulation, but bowling Blundell after lunch had an odour of white flag about it.
More of a prayer than a plan and 3 overs for a net bowler at a crucial restart is as unfathomable as it is unforgivable.
Blundell must have been something that was discussed at lunch, so Stead has surely got to be partially culpable for that decision. Agree it was a pretty strange choice - sort of like having a decent fourth grade club spinner bowl a few test overs and hope he'll snaffle a wicket. A bit desperate.
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
bat for two and a bit days.
When was the last time we did that? More specifically in Aus?
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
bat for two and a bit days.
When was the last time we did that? More specifically in Aus?
@Snowy said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
bat for two and a bit days.
When was the last time we did that? More specifically in Aus?
Rossco's done it before
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@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Snowy I mean across two innings.
Yeah, realised that. I just don't think that we have ever been particularly good batting for time - with the odd exception. Graetbatch, Rossco, can't think of too many others.
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@Siam said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
First time in a while I've doubted young Kane. I can forgive his shot, just, with a bit of mental manipulation, but bowling Blundell after lunch had an odour of white flag about it.
More of a prayer than a plan and 3 overs for a net bowler at a crucial restart is as unfathomable as it is unforgivable.
Blundell must have been something that was discussed at lunch, so Stead has surely got to be partially culpable for that decision. Agree it was a pretty strange choice - sort of like having a decent fourth grade club spinner bowl a few test overs and hope he'll snaffle a wicket. A bit desperate.
@Chris-B said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
@Siam said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
First time in a while I've doubted young Kane. I can forgive his shot, just, with a bit of mental manipulation, but bowling Blundell after lunch had an odour of white flag about it.
More of a prayer than a plan and 3 overs for a net bowler at a crucial restart is as unfathomable as it is unforgivable.
Blundell must have been something that was discussed at lunch, so Stead has surely got to be partially culpable for that decision. Agree it was a pretty strange choice - sort of like having a decent fourth grade club spinner bowl a few test overs and hope he'll snaffle a wicket. A bit desperate.
Stead isn't a patch on Mike Hesson. Never thought I'd say something like that in Hesson's early days. And Kane isn't the strong leader that McCullum was. Having said that, man for man we are simply not good enough. The only player who has enhanced his reputation so far is Wags
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There goes that plan...
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OK yeah we're fucked
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Pace and accuracy. Makes a huge difference.
@ACT-Crusader said in Cricket: NZ vs Aus:
Pace and accuracy. Makes a huge difference.
The height is what sets these guys apart. Really hard to get forward properly.
