World Rugby Board elections
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Ireland and Wales could be about to join the Pichot train. A pity someone isn't running against Laporte.
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Ireland and Wales could be about to join the Pichot train. A pity someone isn't running against Laporte.
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@Bovidae I haven't been following closely but knowing the very little I know about Pichot and his foreign players line, that's extremely surprising!
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Welsh board are backing Sir Bill Beaumont:
https://twitter.com/bbcrugbyunion/status/1255496750573461506?s=20
@sparky i.e. "more of the same thanks"
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Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change. -
Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.
How can you do that when WR 'own' rugby? Would a breakaway have to look like Packer's cricket in the 80s (I genuinely don't know what a breakaway would look like). Also, what happens with laws - when we get changes so the laws (and interpretations!) are different, how do you play cross-code games?
WR only survives if the RWC survives. It's their only source of income. The money from that is NH/Europe money at the moment ... but that may change if things go well.
Great conversation starter
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Ireland and Wales could be about to join the Pichot train. A pity someone isn't running against Laporte.
@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
Ireland and Wales could be about to join the Pichot train. A pity someone isn't running against Laporte.
There is absolutely no way the Celtic nations are not voting for Beaumont. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas.
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@Bovidae said in World Rugby Board elections:
Ireland and Wales could be about to join the Pichot train. A pity someone isn't running against Laporte.
There is absolutely no way the Celtic nations are not voting for Beaumont. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas.
@Billy-Tell said in World Rugby Board elections:
There is absolutely no way the Celtic nations are not voting for Beaumont. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas.
Could well be a negotiating position, similar to 'league are interested'. Pity; would be good for WR if Pichot got there
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@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.
How can you do that when WR 'own' rugby? Would a breakaway have to look like Packer's cricket in the 80s (I genuinely don't know what a breakaway would look like). Also, what happens with laws - when we get changes so the laws (and interpretations!) are different, how do you play cross-code games?
WR only survives if the RWC survives. It's their only source of income. The money from that is NH/Europe money at the moment ... but that may change if things go well.
Great conversation starter
@nzzp said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.
How can you do that when WR 'own' rugby? Would a breakaway have to look like Packer's cricket in the 80s (I genuinely don't know what a breakaway would look like). Also, what happens with laws - when we get changes so the laws (and interpretations!) are different, how do you play cross-code games?
WR only survives if the RWC survives. It's their only source of income. The money from that is NH/Europe money at the moment ... but that may change if things go well.
Great conversation starter
I have no idea what it looks like. I just think that if the NH 'big guys' continue to maintain the status quo with only lip service to the needs of other countries there will either be a coup to change the representational setup of WR or a breakaway of sorts.
What, for example, would happen if NZ, Australia, SA, ARG, US, Japan, and the PIs declared that they were going to go their own way and negotiate with RWC Ltd around participation?
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Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.Good luck
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@nzzp said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.
How can you do that when WR 'own' rugby? Would a breakaway have to look like Packer's cricket in the 80s (I genuinely don't know what a breakaway would look like). Also, what happens with laws - when we get changes so the laws (and interpretations!) are different, how do you play cross-code games?
WR only survives if the RWC survives. It's their only source of income. The money from that is NH/Europe money at the moment ... but that may change if things go well.
Great conversation starter
I have no idea what it looks like. I just think that if the NH 'big guys' continue to maintain the status quo with only lip service to the needs of other countries there will either be a coup to change the representational setup of WR or a breakaway of sorts.
What, for example, would happen if NZ, Australia, SA, ARG, US, Japan, and the PIs declared that they were going to go their own way and negotiate with RWC Ltd around participation?
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
What, for example, would happen if NZ, Australia, SA, ARG, US, Japan, and the PIs declared that they were going to go their own way and negotiate with RWC Ltd around participation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_union_playing_countries
and Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Kenya, Canada, Madagascar, etc ...
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@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.Good luck
@MiketheSnow said in World Rugby Board elections:
@Crucial said in World Rugby Board elections:
Depending on where the lines are drawn we could be heading for a period ripe for a split, or one where the SH Unions take control of their own destiny (and ignore aspects of WR to do so).
We have a strong group of countries with entirely different needs to the rest of the world. They are close geographically and by timezone and based in areas of high population.. The rest of the world is spread out and either don't have large economic populations or are still in an infancy stage with regard to rugby.
One group (despite money worries) will stick to the current formula because it suits them best and try and force their model onto those it doesn't suit.
COVID has created a hiatus in which many businesses have been able to pause and have a clear look at the future. There is an opportunity to change the wheels of the bus while it isn't moving.
This is a situation ripe for disruptive change.Good luck
I guess my point is that if there is a time where there is a danger of upheaval for WR then that time is now, while unions that think that they aren't being heard are sitting back and having a close look at the future.
We can all see that post COVID things aren't going to be 'normal'. What the new normal looks like is up to the various parties. -
@Tim yep, that was the article I saw in passing.
this is interesting
https://www.asiarugby.com/2020/04/25/world-rugby-elections-2/
51 votes available at the table. The 6N look like they control 16 directly (5x3+Italy), while 28 unions in Asia (population over 4 Billion people) have 2 votes. SO should be a lock for Beaumont.
as @Crucial said, it's challenging times for the global nature of the sport. Democracy struggles when there are minority voices that don't feel like they get decent representation.
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Brent Impey:
“While we have great respect for Bill Beaumont as an individual, this has become an issue where there has been a lot of self-protection from existing players (northern unions) versus those of us, particularly the Sanzaar nations, who want to see the game grow. “That is why have supported him (Pichot).’’ -
Love this from Impey.
Didn't see the Reason whinge piece but reckon you can get the gist from this response.
https://twitter.com/NZRugby/status/1252817891709186050?s=19
(Will change the thread title slightly.)
@booboo said in World Rugby Board elections:
Love this from Impey.
Didn't see the Reason whinge piece but reckon you can get the gist from this response.
https://twitter.com/NZRugby/status/1252817891709186050?s=19
(Will change the thread title slightly.)
Actually, I think Reason made a decent point - he was asking how Bart Campbell hasn't got a conflict of interest.
He's just finished 7 years as Chair of the Melbourne Storm, apparently he's still the largest shareholder and a board member.
https://www.melbournestorm.com.au/news/2020/03/04/bart-campbell-to-stand-down-as-storm-chairman/
