Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain
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List of captains for the ABs
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/list_of_captains.html?id=8;type=team
List from Fitzy on, with number of captained matches in brackets
Fitz (51)
Henderson (1)
Marshall (4)
Randell (22)
Blackadder (10 - honestly thought it was more)
Oliver (10)
Thorne (23)
Umaga (21)
McCaw (110)
Collins J (3)
So'oialo (5)
Mealamu (3)
Muliana (3)
Hore (1)
Read (52)
Cane (3)
Smith B (1)
Whitelock S (6)
Whitelock L (1)@nzzp said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
List of captains for the ABs
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/list_of_captains.html?id=8;type=team
List from Fitzy on, with number of captained matches in brackets
Fitz (51)
Henderson (1)
Marshall (4)
Randell (22)
Blackadder (10 - honestly thought it was more)
Oliver (10)
Thorne (23)
Umaga (21)
McCaw (110)
Collins J (3)
So'oialo (5)
Mealamu (3)
Muliana (3)
Hore (1)
Read (52)
Cane (3)
Smith B (1)
Whitelock S (6)
Whitelock L (1)Which test was Andrew Hore ABs captain for?
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@nzzp said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
List of captains for the ABs
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/list_of_captains.html?id=8;type=team
List from Fitzy on, with number of captained matches in brackets
Fitz (51)
Henderson (1)
Marshall (4)
Randell (22)
Blackadder (10 - honestly thought it was more)
Oliver (10)
Thorne (23)
Umaga (21)
McCaw (110)
Collins J (3)
So'oialo (5)
Mealamu (3)
Muliana (3)
Hore (1)
Read (52)
Cane (3)
Smith B (1)
Whitelock S (6)
Whitelock L (1)Which test was Andrew Hore ABs captain for?
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@sparky probably a midweek game
Edit: nope, 2011 final pool game against Canada
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@antipodean said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Here's an example:
https://www.facebook.com/AllBlacks/posts/10157253660216915?comment_id=10157253926701915&
Haaaa....love it! Can't think of new team names? Just have two of each! Imagine how the table will look. Shit imagine how many games you turn up to and go to the wrong changing room.
The stuff about 3rd place play off makes perfect sense too.
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@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Joe Moody missed a lot of tackles that night. Probably his worst performance in a black jersey.
I guess you haven't heard about that day Joe put on a black v-neck and proceeded to accidentally run over his neighbours cat, dropped his lunch on the floor (carpet) on the way out to the deck and then to top it all off had a sloppy shit where half of it sprayed on that top ledge bit of the bowl. Bought an instant kiwi that was a dud too.
This is why you didn't win the Fern Comedian award.
This is why you're a Moran.
@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Joe Moody missed a lot of tackles that night. Probably his worst performance in a black jersey.
I guess you haven't heard about that day Joe put on a black v-neck and proceeded to accidentally run over his neighbours cat, dropped his lunch on the floor (carpet) on the way out to the deck and then to top it all off had a sloppy shit where half of it sprayed on that top ledge bit of the bowl. Bought an instant kiwi that was a dud too.
This is why you didn't win the Fern Comedian award.
This is why you're a Moran.
Black Books. What a show
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@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Joe Moody missed a lot of tackles that night. Probably his worst performance in a black jersey.
I guess you haven't heard about that day Joe put on a black v-neck and proceeded to accidentally run over his neighbours cat, dropped his lunch on the floor (carpet) on the way out to the deck and then to top it all off had a sloppy shit where half of it sprayed on that top ledge bit of the bowl. Bought an instant kiwi that was a dud too.
This is why you didn't win the Fern Comedian award.
This is why you're a Moran.
Black Books. What a show
@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MN5 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@Bones said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@akan004 said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Joe Moody missed a lot of tackles that night. Probably his worst performance in a black jersey.
I guess you haven't heard about that day Joe put on a black v-neck and proceeded to accidentally run over his neighbours cat, dropped his lunch on the floor (carpet) on the way out to the deck and then to top it all off had a sloppy shit where half of it sprayed on that top ledge bit of the bowl. Bought an instant kiwi that was a dud too.
This is why you didn't win the Fern Comedian award.
This is why you're a Moran.
Black Books. What a show
Came off air in 2004. Apt.
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Luke Whitelock - All Black Captain
Just, just let that sink in for a moment
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Luke Whitelock - All Black Captain
Just, just let that sink in for a moment
It’s no harder than Todd Blackadder.
Who captained real tests.
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@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Luke Whitelock - All Black Captain
Just, just let that sink in for a moment
It’s no harder than Todd Blackadder.
Who captained real tests.
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Luke Whitelock - All Black Captain
Just, just let that sink in for a moment
It’s no harder than Todd Blackadder.
Who captained real tests.
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Watched first half. Ardie wasn't bad, but always just off at breakdown. A fit Sam may have affected a couple of turnovers, and would have been more effective covering for Ritchie M's tackling weakness, which lead to two of England's three best breaks.
I still think we gave England far too easy a ride in the first 5-10 minutes. Cane's physical presence would have blunted England's attack and stopped them getting on the front foot so early.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Watched first half. Ardie wasn't bad, but always just off at breakdown. A fit Sam may have affected a couple of turnovers, and would have been more effective covering for Ritchie M's tackling weakness, which lead to two of England's three best breaks.
I still think we gave England far too easy a ride in the first 5-10 minutes. Cane's physical presence would have blunted England's attack and stopped them getting on the front foot so early.
I agree, but in truth it wasn't as bad as I feared, only having seen game from one of the corners.
We were certainly off the pace in first ten, but missed tackles also hurt us big. By the same token Taylor's throwing was off, which cost us two or three lineouts, which is huge for momentum. On the plus side ALB never missed Tuilagi and was busy in loose.
The score at halftime was 10-0. Which on a rewatch was a bit harsh. The big factor being BBBR's horrible pass with a two on one overlap.
What WAS disppointing for me was how we went off the boil at breakdown in last three minutes or so. Two turnover penalties, then another penalty, giving England three points, which at that point was against the run of play. I'd like to think Sam C would have made a difference there.
Small margins.
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I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Canes' fans and @Canes4life
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@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Canes' fans and @Canes4life
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
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@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Perhaps he's suggesting that @Canes4life was a punishment?!
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@nzzp said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
List of captains for the ABs
http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/player/list_of_captains.html?id=8;type=team
List from Fitzy on, with number of captained matches in brackets
Fitz (51)
Henderson (1)
Marshall (4)
Randell (22)
Blackadder (10 - honestly thought it was more)
Oliver (10)
Thorne (23)
Umaga (21)
McCaw (110)
Collins J (3)
So'oialo (5)
Mealamu (3)
Muliana (3)
Hore (1)
Read (52)
Cane (3)
Smith B (1)
Whitelock S (6)
Whitelock L (1)Which test was Andrew Hore ABs captain for?
@sparky said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Which test was Andrew Hore ABs captain for?
It was a club game.
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@sparky said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
Which test was Andrew Hore ABs captain for?
It was a club game.
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@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
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@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
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@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
Wasn't it grammar?
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@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
Wasn't it grammar?
@pakman said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
Wasn't it grammar?
Misuse of apostrophe completely changing meaning. D'oh.
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@pakman said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
Wasn't it grammar?
Misuse of apostrophe completely changing meaning. D'oh.
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@pakman said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@MajorRage said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@booboo said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
@mariner4life said in Sam Cane - All Blacks Captain:
I'm going to get crucified for this but
Ardie Savea is a luxury player at test level against most sides. He's dynamic, good on the run after contact on the fringes, and not bad over the ball. He'll look fantastic in loose games against Australia with their ordinary pack, or teams we are just better than.
Unfortunately test rugby is at least 60 minutes of trench warfare. Mainly played between the 22s, or if it gets close to the line, in close to the ruck. It's aerial kicks, and trying to breach the gain line through force. A Savea is not suited to that game style. S Cane is perfectly suited to it.
A Savea off the bench is a great use of resources, and shouldn't be viewed as a slight. S Cane should start every big test he is available for, and that makes him perfect captaincy material
Only by Cane's fans and @Canes4life
Astounded that as the Ferns vocabulary Nazi, that you have made quite a fundamental error here ...
Noted. Fixed. Kinda self contradictory huh?
Wasn't it grammar?
Misuse of apostrophe completely changing meaning. D'oh.
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@Canes4life The Captain.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Cane is a better 7 than Savea. Cane is probably better against some teams but I don't believe he is out right a better 7.
I don't think the combination of starting Savea and Cane is a strong well rounded trio. My preference would be to start one or the other and not shoehorn them in to get our 'best' players on the park.
I would be more open to it if Akira was playing to his potential (lineout may still be too short) but I can't see any other loosie in NZ filling the gap. Grace would add height but no real carrying ability leaving Ardie to be the only ball carrier in the trio. Dalton may be a goer but I still worry about his concrete feet. Maybe Sotutu but he's a complete rookie.
It does look like it's going to be Foster's short term solution.
@Toddy Hi Toddy, I have seen Cullen play weekly since he was 13 and he is a ball runner as well. After that game vs the Blues when he was man of the match, you would have noticed the next week the Crusaders did use him a slightly different way as a runner. The beauty of Cullen is his brain first, then his athleticism, he understands game plans when others do not and can adjust his game accordingly. He is exceptionally rugby bright, one best players I have seen or worked with in this regard. This is why the Crusaders like him and players similar to him. His ball running is immense and he has a pace and can change direction at ease. Almost like a young Kieran Read. You will see this as he develops. What is best position is we are not sure, we were surprised last year they used him at lock as much as they did as his height and player type seems to more suit six. Early on he played seven a lot also, but we hear he is getting lined up as an 8 in the young Kieran Read mould where he could play tight or loose depending on the game plan. Saying all this, he is still 20, so I might favour a Tom Robinson yet if he continues to develop.
