Pasifika SR team
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and this .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/muo8nm/incriminating_recording_of_nzrpa_boss_released/
Get this horrible fucking franchise out of our domestic system, please!
I don't fucking want it. Any of it. Aucklanders should be Aucklanders (or Shoreites), not whites and browns.
Solves nothing, won't last anyway, but brings shit loads of negative baggage.
@rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
and this .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/muo8nm/incriminating_recording_of_nzrpa_boss_released/
Get this horrible fucking franchise out of our domestic system, please!
I don't fucking want it. Any of it. Aucklanders should be Aucklanders (or Shoreites), not whites and browns.
Solves nothing, won't last anyway, but brings shit loads of negative baggage.
Negative baggage to people with a negative outlook for sure.
You don't want it? Nobody asked you to play for them or support them. It's a way to deal to a decades long issue where other pacific nations have been held back. NH teams get strengthened, NZ and Oz get strengthened. I'd like to see a more competitive Fiji/ Samoa/Tonga in WR. I'm getting a bit sick of the same old same old.
WR have done something with providing some money. NZ have done something by providing a comp. Oz will have their arm twisted to agree to the setup. -
With this kind of thing:
Did Mark Robinson et al actually think an NZ Pacific franchise would be ever be a good PR thing for the NZRU?
Welcome to years of trolling anytime an NZ born and raised Samoan happens to make the All Blacks if at some time early in his career he happened to have played for an NZ franchise based in Penrose rather than another one 9.5km away in Sandringham.
Kefu kind of has a point, though from a Tongan POV. Tonga, unlike Samoa, actually do produce some good players that enter the NZ system and go right to the top. Although they already enter at schoolboy level and this won't increase any of it.
@rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
With this kind of thing:
Did Mark Robinson et al actually think an NZ Pacific franchise would be ever be a good PR thing for the NZRU?
That would be the same Totai Kefu that was born in Tonga and played for Australia? Fuck off you raving hypocrite.
The board at NZR needs to be sacked.
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and this .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/muo8nm/incriminating_recording_of_nzrpa_boss_released/
Get this horrible fucking franchise out of our domestic system, please!
I don't fucking want it. Any of it. Aucklanders should be Aucklanders (or Shoreites), not whites and browns.
Solves nothing, won't last anyway, but brings shit loads of negative baggage.
@rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
and this .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/muo8nm/incriminating_recording_of_nzrpa_boss_released/
Get this horrible fucking franchise out of our domestic system, please!
I don't fucking want it. Any of it. Aucklanders should be Aucklanders (or Shoreites), not whites and browns.
Solves nothing, won't last anyway, but brings shit loads of negative baggage.
Tracy Atiga is obviously a duplicitous fluffybunny who is solely interested in feathering her own nest, pissy that her Hawaii concept isn't being supported.
It can't be clearer when she says this isn't for New Zealand players - then fuck off and play elsewhere.
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@rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
and this .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/muo8nm/incriminating_recording_of_nzrpa_boss_released/
Get this horrible fucking franchise out of our domestic system, please!
I don't fucking want it. Any of it. Aucklanders should be Aucklanders (or Shoreites), not whites and browns.
Solves nothing, won't last anyway, but brings shit loads of negative baggage.
Tracy Atiga is obviously a duplicitous fluffybunny who is solely interested in feathering her own nest, pissy that her Hawaii concept isn't being supported.
It can't be clearer when she says this isn't for New Zealand players - then fuck off and play elsewhere.
@antipodean she left a hell of a legacy at Auckland Basketball before she peeled out of there...
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@rapido said in Pasifika SR team:
and this .....
https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/muo8nm/incriminating_recording_of_nzrpa_boss_released/
Get this horrible fucking franchise out of our domestic system, please!
I don't fucking want it. Any of it. Aucklanders should be Aucklanders (or Shoreites), not whites and browns.
Solves nothing, won't last anyway, but brings shit loads of negative baggage.
Negative baggage to people with a negative outlook for sure.
You don't want it? Nobody asked you to play for them or support them. It's a way to deal to a decades long issue where other pacific nations have been held back. NH teams get strengthened, NZ and Oz get strengthened. I'd like to see a more competitive Fiji/ Samoa/Tonga in WR. I'm getting a bit sick of the same old same old.
WR have done something with providing some money. NZ have done something by providing a comp. Oz will have their arm twisted to agree to the setup.@crucial said in Pasifika SR team:
It's a way to deal to a decades long issue where other pacific nations have been held back. NH teams get strengthened, NZ and Oz get strengthened. I'd like to see a more competitive Fiji/ Samoa/Tonga in WR. I'm getting a bit sick of the same old same old.
how does this move do that?
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@crucial said in Pasifika SR team:
It's a way to deal to a decades long issue where other pacific nations have been held back. NH teams get strengthened, NZ and Oz get strengthened. I'd like to see a more competitive Fiji/ Samoa/Tonga in WR. I'm getting a bit sick of the same old same old.
how does this move do that?
@mariner4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@crucial said in Pasifika SR team:
It's a way to deal to a decades long issue where other pacific nations have been held back. NH teams get strengthened, NZ and Oz get strengthened. I'd like to see a more competitive Fiji/ Samoa/Tonga in WR. I'm getting a bit sick of the same old same old.
how does this move do that?
It's a piece of a solution.
More available places for Pasifika players in Super Rugby likely means less players going to lower division teams in Europe where they don't get the same latitude (despite WR regs) to return to play for national sides.
Keeping those players closer also means more time together, sometimes combos will emerge in this team etc
Maybe players that can't make a NZ super side but are just WTG players can get to play and develop.
The experience and availability pool for Pasifika national sides increases.
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If it isn't based in a PI nation, it's a NZ team. Calling NZ-born players PI players is disingenuous, or you are opening a massive can of worms.
@mofitzy_ said in Pasifika SR team:
If it isn't based in a PI nation, it's a NZ team. Calling NZ-born players PI players is disingenuous, or you are opening a massive can of worms.
Speaking of a can of worms, NZ is a collection of Pacific Islands.
https://teara.govt.nz/en/pacific-islands-and-new-zealand/printAs you were..
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I just read that Tim Nanai-Williams' contract with Clermont expires at the end of the Top 14 season and is unlikely to be re-signed. Maybe they should try getting him back, as he's capped by Samoa. Surely he still has a few seasons in him?
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I just read that Tim Nanai-Williams' contract with Clermont expires at the end of the Top 14 season and is unlikely to be re-signed. Maybe they should try getting him back, as he's capped by Samoa. Surely he still has a few seasons in him?
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I just read that Tim Nanai-Williams' contract with Clermont expires at the end of the Top 14 season and is unlikely to be re-signed. Maybe they should try getting him back, as he's capped by Samoa. Surely he still has a few seasons in him?
@stargazer said in Pasifika SR team:
I just read that Tim Nanai-Williams' contract with Clermont expires at the end of the Top 14 season and is unlikely to be re-signed. Maybe they should try getting him back, as he's capped by Samoa. Surely he still has a few seasons in him?
Had him in my earlier possibles list.
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@mariner4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@rapido firstly Totai, how was your experience playing for Tonga? Love it did you? Honoured to represent them were you?
Secondly, i honestly could not have given a single fuck if Fekitoa, Frizzel and Fifita played for Tonga over NZ. Not one single solitary fuck.
Lomu?
@kirwan said in Pasifika SR team:
@mariner4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@rapido firstly Totai, how was your experience playing for Tonga? Love it did you? Honoured to represent them were you?
Secondly, i honestly could not have given a single fuck if Fekitoa, Frizzel and Fifita played for Tonga over NZ. Not one single solitary fuck.
Lomu?
You mean the NZ born and raised, Jonah Lomu?
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@kirwan said in Pasifika SR team:
@mariner4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@rapido firstly Totai, how was your experience playing for Tonga? Love it did you? Honoured to represent them were you?
Secondly, i honestly could not have given a single fuck if Fekitoa, Frizzel and Fifita played for Tonga over NZ. Not one single solitary fuck.
Lomu?
You mean the NZ born and raised, Jonah Lomu?
@junior said in Pasifika SR team:
@kirwan said in Pasifika SR team:
@mariner4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@rapido firstly Totai, how was your experience playing for Tonga? Love it did you? Honoured to represent them were you?
Secondly, i honestly could not have given a single fuck if Fekitoa, Frizzel and Fifita played for Tonga over NZ. Not one single solitary fuck.
Lomu?
You mean the NZ born and raised, Jonah Lomu?
Ah but, according to a lot of media and PI supporters out there, NZ born and bred comes after PI heritage in which team they should play for
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@maxwell NZR simply can't help digging holes for itself. It's about time we simply stepped back and said we're not seeking to be paternalistic in our relationships, you manage your own affairs and suffer the consequences.
@antipodean absolutely.
All the island unions had to do since professionalism - was rightly or wrongly, copy the NZ model. No rocket science involved, just get organised and copy everything from competition models to educational resource pathways and documentation.
The web made all that info accessible from S&C to skill development to coach education. Instead what we get is finger-pointing, corruption and self-interest at every corner.
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@tim that smokes the Highlanders, takes depth from the Blues, and seriously disrupts other teams.
I think the key question is whether we have enough quality rugby players in the country and the Islands to sustain 6 teams. We have struggled in NZ with 5 ... the weak 5th team has been pretty clear, and shared around. Hell in 1996 it was the Crusaders.
It is possibly a good thing IF we stop losing players overseas. If you could keep NZ developed rugby players here, 6 teams would be a doddle. But I can't see it happening, and I still can't see the step up from islanders in the islands into Super. It's a massive, massive jump.
I hope it works, I'm just not confident, and it has a risk of damaging teams, provinces and people on the way through (Vikings anyone?)
@nzzp I don't think it's really necessary for the NZ teams to remain as strong as they are. Actually, it's probably better if they are diluted somewhat. As it stands they'll be on an even footing with about 2 of the Aus teams. They'll smoke everyone else, including Drua and whatever cobbled together MP team turns out.
That's only looking at SRTT as an end in itself (which, hopefully, it is). Hard to say what the flow on effects will be to the All Blacks and NZ rugby generally.
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@antipodean absolutely.
All the island unions had to do since professionalism - was rightly or wrongly, copy the NZ model. No rocket science involved, just get organised and copy everything from competition models to educational resource pathways and documentation.
The web made all that info accessible from S&C to skill development to coach education. Instead what we get is finger-pointing, corruption and self-interest at every corner.
@maxwell said in Pasifika SR team:
@antipodean absolutely.
All the island unions had to do since professionalism - was rightly or wrongly, copy the NZ model. No rocket science involved, just get organised and copy everything from competition models to educational resource pathways and documentation.
The web made all that info accessible from S&C to skill development to coach education. Instead what we get is finger-pointing, corruption and self-interest at every corner.
Are you being serious? None of the Islands, even all of the Islands together, have the infrastructure to just straight up copy the NZ model.
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@maxwell said in Pasifika SR team:
@antipodean absolutely.
All the island unions had to do since professionalism - was rightly or wrongly, copy the NZ model. No rocket science involved, just get organised and copy everything from competition models to educational resource pathways and documentation.
The web made all that info accessible from S&C to skill development to coach education. Instead what we get is finger-pointing, corruption and self-interest at every corner.
Are you being serious? None of the Islands, even all of the Islands together, have the infrastructure to just straight up copy the NZ model.
@nepia said in Pasifika SR team:
@maxwell said in Pasifika SR team:
@antipodean absolutely.
All the island unions had to do since professionalism - was rightly or wrongly, copy the NZ model. No rocket science involved, just get organised and copy everything from competition models to educational resource pathways and documentation.
The web made all that info accessible from S&C to skill development to coach education. Instead what we get is finger-pointing, corruption and self-interest at every corner.
Are you being serious? None of the Islands, even all of the Islands together, have the infrastructure to just straight up copy the NZ model.
Appropriately scaled. Governance is a good one to start with.
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@maxwell said in Pasifika SR team:
@antipodean absolutely.
All the island unions had to do since professionalism - was rightly or wrongly, copy the NZ model. No rocket science involved, just get organised and copy everything from competition models to educational resource pathways and documentation.
The web made all that info accessible from S&C to skill development to coach education. Instead what we get is finger-pointing, corruption and self-interest at every corner.
Are you being serious? None of the Islands, even all of the Islands together, have the infrastructure to just straight up copy the NZ model.
