Australia v India
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And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
By the last day of any Test, the marks have been dug into trenches. Anyone walking to the crease can clearly see them. Players still take guard again, because that’s part of feeling settled and ready to face the bowling. But the marks themselves are clear. Then there is the matter of what a fifth-day pitch is made of. Unwatered throughout, baking in the sun, the batting ends have been so well trodden that not a blade of grass remains. The turf has turned to bare hard clay. The marks from earlier days are set. At this point, it is literally impossible for a player to remove the principal batting marks with four scrapes of a boot. It would require calling the ground staff for some excavation tools. Perhaps you could remove a mark on a soft English pitch on day one. Not an Australian pitch on day five.@barbarian said in Australia v India:
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
Well you would say that, you filthy convict. #underarm #neverforget
(Just getting in before everyone else :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: )
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
Well you would say that, you filthy convict. #underarm #neverforget
(Just getting in before everyone else :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: )
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@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
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@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
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@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
it's not uncommon.
No, it's a bloody outrage!
I'm not Indian - outrage levels are very low.
That underarm shit though, I'm still pissed about that. Comments about filthy convicts by filthy convicts are valid.
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
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@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
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Smith and Hesson (edit: and Drumm) were talking about how weird it was on their pod yesterday, they didn't seem to think it was at all common nor within the bounds of good sportsmanship.
From about 7:45
@gt12 said in Australia v India:
Smith and Hesson (edit: and Drumm) were talking about how weird it was on their pod yesterday, they didn't seem to think it was at all common nor within the bounds of good sportsmanship.
From about 7:45
Must be part of the lynch mob....
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
He did, you can see it in the video footage within that clip above.
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@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
He did, you can see it in the video footage within that clip above.
@gt12 said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
He did, you can see it in the video footage within that clip above.
Hmmm to me that just looks like he is setting his guard after the break which all bats do.
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@gt12 said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
He did, you can see it in the video footage within that clip above.
Hmmm to me that just looks like he is setting his guard after the break which all bats do.
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@gt12 said in Australia v India:
Then I'm not sure what you mean by 're-mark their guard'.
Good call.
What I meant is that it looked as though he was merely confirming it and doing a couple of scratches compared to when you first come to the crease as an opening for example, it is quite a process. IF it was that far gone, it will take quite a bit more effort to establish it again.
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@gt12 said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
He did, you can see it in the video footage within that clip above.
Hmmm to me that just looks like he is setting his guard after the break which all bats do.
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@gt12 said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
He did, you can see it in the video footage within that clip above.
Hmmm to me that just looks like he is setting his guard after the break which all bats do.
Some might not read much into it, but to me it shows a bit of desperation that was in the team during the last two days. For others who see cricket up and close a lot more than us that see most of it edited through the TV, to say it’s not common, says a lot in my view.
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@gt12 said in Australia v India:
Then I'm not sure what you mean by 're-mark their guard'.
Good call.
What I meant is that it looked as though he was merely confirming it and doing a couple of scratches compared to when you first come to the crease as an opening for example, it is quite a process. IF it was that far gone, it will take quite a bit more effort to establish it again.
Yeah, I don't think it is such a big deal as it is a fifth day pitch, and Pant was back pretty quickly, but the crease - as he left it - was altered. I don't buy at all that Smith did it to help himself 'visualize', he stands in the crease first then rubs around on it on his way out. As Hesson mentioned, it seems he was just trying to cause a bit of 'mayhem', probably trying to get on Pant's nerves or something like that.
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But how would it cause mayhem? As Lemon's article outlines, the three main markings by the end of day 5 are so deep that you can't alter them without a shovel.
A number of people who have played with Smith have come out and said that he does this almost every break, it's incredibly common. He's a compulsive shadow batter, he does it in his hotel room, in the dressing room, in the shower. Marking centre is a part of that routine. It's weird but I just don't understand how it's anything nefarious.
