All Blacks 2021
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido What? If Fiji want to pick them and they haven't been capped elsewhere, they'll play. But the real good ones go to Eu for the moolah
No, plenty of them won't.
They'll be absolutely schtum on national availability, and no 'nice' NZ journalist would ask them.To their bosses they'll either genuinely or pretendingly say they maybe wanna want to play for NZ or Aus so that they stay inside the NZ and Aus central contracting system.
So, we complain about NH clubs not releasing players while ignoring that NZ & Aus franchises remove release from the equation before it has had much of a chance to germinate.
Lots of PI players going through the NZ and Aus systems spend 4 or 5 years of the prime of their careers pretending they don't want to play for a PI nation, then do as soon as they leave to Europe, where occasionally their clubs make it difficult for them, and we complain. But, we are a funnel, the Welcome Bay roundabout of PI rugby.
Same discussion from a week or 2 ago, in fact, probably exact same thread.
See, you fluffybunnies don't read my posts ....
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I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
He's already an AB! He was an excellent winger a couple of seasons ago, who could adequately cover centre. Crusaders had an excellent centre and an abundance of pretty good wingers, so they decided to fuck everyone over and moved him to centre, immediately making both him and Goodhue average players. Now they're doing the same to Faingaanuku, it's bizarre.
I'd love to see him on the wing again, but there are so many players ahead of him at centre. He's about on a par with Collins for me.
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
And Scott (can’t remember surname) ex NZ 7s coach debuted for a team other than NZ in welly, back in the day. No one cared as long as you got a team together!
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
And Scott (can’t remember surname) ex NZ 7s coach debuted for a team other than NZ in welly, back in the day. No one cared as long as you got a team together!
Sevens tournament rules were pretty cool I thought. If your team had been knocked out, other teams could pick you up as injury replacement.
So they started doing player pools instead, I was on standby one year but no luck. One of my mates played for China in that one I think.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
He's already an AB! He was an excellent winger a couple of seasons ago, who could adequately cover centre. Crusaders had an excellent centre and an abundance of pretty good wingers, so they decided to fuck everyone over and moved him to centre, immediately making both him and Goodhue average players. Now they're doing the same to Faingaanuku, it's bizarre.
I'd love to see him on the wing again, but there are so many players ahead of him at centre. He's about on a par with Collins for me.
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
He's already an AB!
oh shit, i forgot about that
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
The year we had Cullen and Lomu in the same team at the HK Sevens that there was this bizarre rule that you could select one player from a losing quarterfinalist side.
We chose Stephen Brink of South Africa, and there he was sitting on the bench wearing a black jersey.The Uruguayan's name is Benjamin Bono.
https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/news/348905?lang=fr@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
The year we had Cullen and Lomu in the same team at the HK Sevens that there was this bizarre rule that you could select one player from a losing quarterfinalist side.
We chose Stephen Brink of South Africa, and there he was sitting on the bench wearing a black jersey.The Uruguayan's name is Benjamin Bono.
https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/news/348905?lang=frIt was only for injuries though wasn't it. And you could pick from a pool of local players if you got shot too. IIRC this was still happening in the earlier years of the 7s circuit.
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If only there were heaps of top quality Fijians playing in a local professional competition they could select. Instead of traversing the globe during a pandemic.
Oh, wait, there are 11 born and bred Fijians already playing Super Rugby TT.
Oh, double wait. They've been central-contracterised.
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Although 8 of the 11 are wingers, so couldn't form a good team out of them, still.
@rapido said in All Blacks 2021:
If only there were heaps of top quality Fijians playing in a local professional competition they could select. Instead of traversing the globe during a pandemic.
Oh, wait, there are 11 born and bred Fijians already playing Super Rugby TT.
Oh, double wait. They've been central-contracterised.
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Although 8 of the 11 are wingers, so couldn't form a good team out of them, still.
I'd expect 7 of those 8 wingers are capped wallabies and the other one is Reece.
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A Probables vs Possibles game would be more interesting than a test against a depleted Fijian team.
I'd like to see these lineups :Probables :
J. Barrett - Jordan, ALB, Havili, Fainganu'uku - Mo'unga, Smith - Savea, Papali'i, Ioane - Whitelock, S. Barrett - Laulala, Taylor, Tuinukuafe.
Sub : B. Barrett, R. Ioane, Weber, Jacobson, Tuipolutu, Tu'ungafasi, Hogdman, Coles.Possibles :
Sullivan - Reece, PUJ, Gregory, Rayasi - MacKenzie, Drummond - Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson - PPP, Vaa'i - Lomax, Aumua, Ross.
Sub : M. Hunt, Ennor, Hall, Frizell, Retallick, Mafileo, Williams, Taukei'aho.Blackadder was outstanding on the openside vs the Reds, that is why I set him there.
Retallick on the bench for the Possibles as he has been overseas for two years now. -
i'd still love to see more of a school yard selection deal, make a bit of a spectacle about it, two coaches named and they have to select one at a time
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A Probables vs Possibles game would be more interesting than a test against a depleted Fijian team.
I'd like to see these lineups :Probables :
J. Barrett - Jordan, ALB, Havili, Fainganu'uku - Mo'unga, Smith - Savea, Papali'i, Ioane - Whitelock, S. Barrett - Laulala, Taylor, Tuinukuafe.
Sub : B. Barrett, R. Ioane, Weber, Jacobson, Tuipolutu, Tu'ungafasi, Hogdman, Coles.Possibles :
Sullivan - Reece, PUJ, Gregory, Rayasi - MacKenzie, Drummond - Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson - PPP, Vaa'i - Lomax, Aumua, Ross.
Sub : M. Hunt, Ennor, Hall, Frizell, Retallick, Mafileo, Williams, Taukei'aho.Blackadder was outstanding on the openside vs the Reds, that is why I set him there.
Retallick on the bench for the Possibles as he has been overseas for two years now.@cgrant said in All Blacks 2021:
A Probables vs Possibles game would be more interesting than a test against a depleted Fijian team.
I'd like to see these lineups :Probables :
J. Barrett - Jordan, ALB, Havili, Fainganu'uku - Mo'unga, Smith - Savea, Papali'i, Ioane - Whitelock, S. Barrett - Laulala, Taylor, Tuinukuafe.
Sub : B. Barrett, R. Ioane, Weber, Jacobson, Tuipolutu, Tu'ungafasi, Hogdman, Coles.Possibles :
Sullivan - Reece, PUJ, Gregory, Rayasi - MacKenzie, Drummond - Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson - PPP, Vaa'i - Lomax, Aumua, Ross.
Sub : M. Hunt, Ennor, Hall, Frizell, Retallick, Mafileo, Williams, Taukei'aho.Blackadder was outstanding on the openside vs the Reds, that is why I set him there.
Retallick on the bench for the Possibles as he has been overseas for two years now.No way does BBBR get relegated to reserves for Possibles. That is outrageous!
And if I follow your logic for BBBR then why is BB on the main bench? He should swap with DMac.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2021:
A Probables vs Possibles game would be more interesting than a test against a depleted Fijian team.
I'd like to see these lineups :Probables :
J. Barrett - Jordan, ALB, Havili, Fainganu'uku - Mo'unga, Smith - Savea, Papali'i, Ioane - Whitelock, S. Barrett - Laulala, Taylor, Tuinukuafe.
Sub : B. Barrett, R. Ioane, Weber, Jacobson, Tuipolutu, Tu'ungafasi, Hogdman, Coles.Possibles :
Sullivan - Reece, PUJ, Gregory, Rayasi - MacKenzie, Drummond - Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson - PPP, Vaa'i - Lomax, Aumua, Ross.
Sub : M. Hunt, Ennor, Hall, Frizell, Retallick, Mafileo, Williams, Taukei'aho.Blackadder was outstanding on the openside vs the Reds, that is why I set him there.
Retallick on the bench for the Possibles as he has been overseas for two years now.No way does BBBR get relegated to reserves for Possibles. That is outrageous!
And if I follow your logic for BBBR then why is BB on the main bench? He should swap with DMac.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2021:
A Probables vs Possibles game would be more interesting than a test against a depleted Fijian team.
I'd like to see these lineups :Probables :
J. Barrett - Jordan, ALB, Havili, Fainganu'uku - Mo'unga, Smith - Savea, Papali'i, Ioane - Whitelock, S. Barrett - Laulala, Taylor, Tuinukuafe.
Sub : B. Barrett, R. Ioane, Weber, Jacobson, Tuipolutu, Tu'ungafasi, Hogdman, Coles.Possibles :
Sullivan - Reece, PUJ, Gregory, Rayasi - MacKenzie, Drummond - Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson - PPP, Vaa'i - Lomax, Aumua, Ross.
Sub : M. Hunt, Ennor, Hall, Frizell, Retallick, Mafileo, Williams, Taukei'aho.Blackadder was outstanding on the openside vs the Reds, that is why I set him there.
Retallick on the bench for the Possibles as he has been overseas for two years now.No way does BBBR get relegated to reserves for Possibles. That is outrageous!
And if I follow your logic for BBBR then why is BB on the main bench? He should swap with DMac.
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles. As in it's "possible" he may get some game time. BBBR has been playing in Japan, so who knows what level he's at.
Beaudy is goldenballs, so he's always good to go.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2021:
A Probables vs Possibles game would be more interesting than a test against a depleted Fijian team.
I'd like to see these lineups :Probables :
J. Barrett - Jordan, ALB, Havili, Fainganu'uku - Mo'unga, Smith - Savea, Papali'i, Ioane - Whitelock, S. Barrett - Laulala, Taylor, Tuinukuafe.
Sub : B. Barrett, R. Ioane, Weber, Jacobson, Tuipolutu, Tu'ungafasi, Hogdman, Coles.Possibles :
Sullivan - Reece, PUJ, Gregory, Rayasi - MacKenzie, Drummond - Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson - PPP, Vaa'i - Lomax, Aumua, Ross.
Sub : M. Hunt, Ennor, Hall, Frizell, Retallick, Mafileo, Williams, Taukei'aho.Blackadder was outstanding on the openside vs the Reds, that is why I set him there.
Retallick on the bench for the Possibles as he has been overseas for two years now.No way does BBBR get relegated to reserves for Possibles. That is outrageous!
And if I follow your logic for BBBR then why is BB on the main bench? He should swap with DMac.
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles. As in it's "possible" he may get some game time. BBBR has been playing in Japan, so who knows what level he's at.
Beaudy is goldenballs, so he's always good to go.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles
Scott Barrett is in the probables starting side?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles
Scott Barrett is in the probables starting side?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles
Scott Barrett is in the probables starting side?
Good point, but in a traditional piece of TSF rampant hypocrisy; I like my forwards to have a bit of an edge about them.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles
Scott Barrett is in the probables starting side?
Good point, but in a traditional piece of TSF rampant hypocrisy; I like my forwards to have a bit of an edge about them.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Red card thug merchants can sit on the bench for the possibles
Scott Barrett is in the probables starting side?
Good point, but in a traditional piece of TSF rampant hypocrisy; I like my forwards to have a bit of an edge about them.
i am absolutely down with a bit of blatant hypocrisy
i just wish if he was going to get himself marched he did it for absolutely melting someone
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i'd still love to see more of a school yard selection deal, make a bit of a spectacle about it, two coaches named and they have to select one at a time
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
i'd still love to see more of a school yard selection deal, make a bit of a spectacle about it, two coaches named and they have to select one at a time
I could imagine - "Okay wife beater (Reece) you're the last pick."
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So with Shannon Frizell out for up to 6 weeks with an ankle injury that may open up another spot in the July series for another loose forward to take a look at?
Plenty of contenders it's hard to list them all to be honest.
@kiwimurph shit, is that confirmed? i missed that
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@kiwimurph shit, is that confirmed? i missed that
From today's team naming:
Shannon Frizell is ruled out with an ankle injury sustained during the Rebels match that will sideline him for up to six weeks.
https://thehighlanders.co.nz/media-centre/news/1087-speight-s-highlanders-to-play-the-waratahs
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From today's team naming:
Shannon Frizell is ruled out with an ankle injury sustained during the Rebels match that will sideline him for up to six weeks.
https://thehighlanders.co.nz/media-centre/news/1087-speight-s-highlanders-to-play-the-waratahs
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
From today's team naming:
Shannon Frizell is ruled out with an ankle injury sustained during the Rebels match that will sideline him for up to six weeks.
https://thehighlanders.co.nz/media-centre/news/1087-speight-s-highlanders-to-play-the-waratahs
i just look at the pictures....
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That's good for blackadders chance's
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This vote of confidence, however, has not been extended to Ian Foster and his coaching group – all of whom are only contracted until the end of this year - and the All Blacks remain the only major team in world rugby to not yet have certainty about who will be at the helm of the team in France.
The Herald understands that it is New Zealand Rugby's intention to wait until December to determine whether to give the incumbent group another two years or whether to make the role contestable.
What Foster's team will have to deliver in terms of results to win an extension is not known. And making the situation yet harder to predict is that it is unlikely to be just results that dictate the future of the incumbent coaching group.
It is also understood that the dedicated rugby committee tasked with extensively reviewing last season recommended extending Foster's contract beyond this year.
NZR's board, however, were concerned that the review identified that some of the wider coaching team struggled at times to cope with the step up to test rugby and deal with the enormous pressure that comes with being part of the All Blacks.
A return of three wins, a draw and two defeats combined with the question marks raised in the review, led to the board opting to hold off and agree that they need a stronger evidential basis this year to be certain they have the right group in place to take the All Blacks to the next World Cup.
