Euros
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@no-quarter said in Euros:
I'm not sure why they don't crack down on it - maybe there's an element of it being part of the game that people are OK with? A feel like a lot of the complaints come from people that are not diehard fans.
There are reasons that they are not diehard fans. Me included. Diving is one of them.
Rugby is of course perfect. No problems with the laws, refs, nothing. All good.
One of the good things about Rugby is the respect players, spectators and officials seem to have for each other. I know that can sound sentimental and superior, but considering the amount of booze drunk at Rugby matches, it's pretty true. You get dickheads in any sport, but they seem to get called out more in Rugby.
I don't watch much soccer, but there does seem to be a bit less of the on-field dickhead-ness from players and managers there used to be and crowd behaviour seems pretty good compared to what it used to be. I like the way players and officials treat each other as now compared to what went on in the past.
@victor-meldrew whatever you do, don't watch a club game. The shit the players get away with in regards to treatment of officials is dire.
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A problem with soccer is teams with a 1 goal lead in the closing minutes. Much like rugby had the problem with endless rucks (still a problem, but the 5s law and refs penalising for sealing off have helped), soccer had the endless pass backs to the keeper. Not allowing the keeper to pick the ball up was an improvement but it’s still an issue imo.
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Twitter thread of penalty shoot outs
https://twitter.com/GeirJordet/status/1412298939408306177?s=19
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Twitter thread of penalty shoot outs
https://twitter.com/GeirJordet/status/1412298939408306177?s=19
@no-quarter said in Euros:
Twitter thread of penalty shoot outs
https://twitter.com/GeirJordet/status/1412298939408306177?s=19
Good one about the Germans in penalty shootouts here. Haven’t missed one at world cups since 1982. Missed 4 overall and 3 of them were at the 2016 Euros.
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England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
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I’ve always thought that penalty takers should be selected based on temperament and that strikers are not always the best in these situations. Andy Brehme took the penalty for Germany in the 1990 final and didn’t ManU always have that Mr Bean looking defender take their penalties (Irwin wasn’t it). Some of the best players in the world have bottled it. Sometimes your boring, plodding defender who never scores goals is better in that situation than a flashy striker.
@rancid-schnitzel
Case in point, Mbappe for France. And Maguire's rocket.Italy had a better keeper but Pickford did well, arguably the blame lies with Southgate for picking the penalty takers. Grealish and Sterling should have been in that lineup.
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@rancid-schnitzel
Case in point, Mbappe for France. And Maguire's rocket.Italy had a better keeper but Pickford did well, arguably the blame lies with Southgate for picking the penalty takers. Grealish and Sterling should have been in that lineup.
@rancid-schnitzel
Case in point, Mbappe for France. And Maguire's rocket.Italy had a better keeper but Pickford did well, arguably the blame lies with Southgate for picking the penalty takers. Grealish and Sterling should have been in that lineup.
Southgate has managed to forge team spirit into the squad, but I think he has taken them as far as he can go.
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Epic, incredible week of sport. Huge atmosphere throughout the country and something we all needed after the nightmare of the last 18 months.
It wasn't to be at the end, and I'm feeling rather dejected today (i would say similar to 2007 RWC), but I can only look back on this entire tournament with happy memories for the way it made us all feel.
Truly magnificent, and one can only ponder the height it may have reached if the penalty shootout had gone a different way.
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Jack Grealish wanted to take a penalty......
https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1414571413919383555?s=19
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@sparky oh Southgate has said it's all on himself and he chose the shot takers, I'm just surprised that's even in question - I would've thought that's a given.
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England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
Southgate has done a good job to get them where they are now, especially building discipline and a team first mentality. But they now need a better coach to build on the foundations he’s laid and actually harness the fantastic talent they’ve got
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England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
Southgate has done a good job to get them where they are now, especially building discipline and a team first mentality. But they now need a better coach to build on the foundations he’s laid and actually harness the fantastic talent they’ve got
England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
Southgate has done a good job to get them where they are now, especially building discipline and a team first mentality. But they now need a better coach to build on the foundations he’s laid and actually harness the fantastic talent they’ve got
I personally think he should be kept on until the World Cup next year. Then see about his future.
He’s the first coach since 50 odd years to get them to a final, albeit via a poor Germany, a hapless Ukraine and a solid but unspectacular Denmark. But English have generally been rubbish in tournament football.
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England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
Southgate has done a good job to get them where they are now, especially building discipline and a team first mentality. But they now need a better coach to build on the foundations he’s laid and actually harness the fantastic talent they’ve got
I personally think he should be kept on until the World Cup next year. Then see about his future.
He’s the first coach since 50 odd years to get them to a final, albeit via a poor Germany, a hapless Ukraine and a solid but unspectacular Denmark. But English have generally been rubbish in tournament football.
@billy-tell said in Euros:
But English have generally been rubbish in tournament football.
Actually, England have a pretty good record in major tournaments, regularly reaching the semi-final or quarter final stage. The problem has been getting further than that...and penalties.
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Not sure about Sterling taking a pen. Rashford and Sancho are regular penalty takers but I wouldn't want Sterling anywhere near one.
Southgate has to stay on for the World Cup. He's shown he can build a strong squad, get them playing to a pattern and he sticks with the players he trusts. No frantic panics of previous managers.
But the formation he uses against the top teams reverts to 7 at the back under pressure and England find themselves without the ball and no method to get up the pitch.
Kane is playing more and more like Sheringham but he doesn't have a Shearer ahead of him. Italy realised they just needed to crowd out England attacks to get the ball back.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
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Not sure about Sterling taking a pen. Rashford and Sancho are regular penalty takers but I wouldn't want Sterling anywhere near one.
Southgate has to stay on for the World Cup. He's shown he can build a strong squad, get them playing to a pattern and he sticks with the players he trusts. No frantic panics of previous managers.
But the formation he uses against the top teams reverts to 7 at the back under pressure and England find themselves without the ball and no method to get up the pitch.
Kane is playing more and more like Sheringham but he doesn't have a Shearer ahead of him. Italy realised they just needed to crowd out England attacks to get the ball back.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Jack Grealish captains a club with the best spirit of any club side on earth where he is idolised and which he supported as a kid. He created more chances than any England player in this tournament apart from Sterling. Villa's goalkeeper just won the Copa America. Not sure why he should move.
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Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Jack Grealish captains a club with the best spirit of any club side on earth where he is idolised and which he supported as a kid. He created more chances than any England player in this tournament apart from Sterling. Villa's goalkeeper just won the Copa America. Not sure why he should move.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Jack Grealish captains a club with the best spirit of any club side on earth where he is idolised and which he supported as a kid. He created more chances than any England player in this tournament apart from Sterling. Villa's goalkeeper just won the Copa America. Not sure why he should move.
I'm not saying he should move, just that he needs to play at the highest level at a better team where he isn't the main star. England didn't create many chances and Grealish only came on as a sub when the games were more open.
I actually think he is a great player but England can't build a side around him right now.
I also think Rashford should move or else he needs a coach who will get the best out of his talents.
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I’ve always thought that penalty takers should be selected based on temperament and that strikers are not always the best in these situations. Andy Brehme took the penalty for Germany in the 1990 final and didn’t ManU always have that Mr Bean looking defender take their penalties (Irwin wasn’t it). Some of the best players in the world have bottled it. Sometimes your boring, plodding defender who never scores goals is better in that situation than a flashy striker.
