Frizell assaults woman
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have to say im not overly familiar with how diversions work, does it have to be pretty minor, reckless rather than malicious or it could be anything and so you can read anything into it?
@kiwiwomble not overly familiar either but my understanding is that it is used in situations at the lower end of the offending scale.
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The police have to offer diversion.
Diversion is a scheme operated by the police that allows first-time offenders to take responsibility for their offending outside the court system and avoid getting a criminal record. The purpose is to prevent you re-offending and to help you understand your own past behaviour and choices and the impact this had on the victim of your offending.
It is targeted at reparation for the victim and rehabilitation for you. Your rehabilitation conditions might include things like going to an alcohol and drug programme or a violence-prevention course.
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Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
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Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Feels like a stretch doesn't it
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At the moment the only punishment is some public humiliation and going to whatever anger management course his lawyer enlists him in.
I would like to see him removed from the current AB squad. At least then there would be a financial penalty. It also serves as a warning to others
We have a perfectly good squad replacement in Robinson. He should've made the original squad IMO
After that I don't really care. It sounds like a low level incident - he can come back later if he's good enough (..and based on his efforts at Test level so far, he is not good enough)
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At the moment the only punishment is some public humiliation and going to whatever anger management course his lawyer enlists him in.
I would like to see him removed from the current AB squad. At least then there would be a financial penalty. It also serves as a warning to others
We have a perfectly good squad replacement in Robinson. He should've made the original squad IMO
After that I don't really care. It sounds like a low level incident - he can come back later if he's good enough (..and based on his efforts at Test level so far, he is not good enough)
@duluth cant argue with that
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Not that I am taking his side, but 'hitting a woman' is not what this def is. Assault can be pushing someone over, bump into someone in a bar, they push you, you push them, they fall over, knocking their girlfriend to the ground too (cos you're a huge AB) - that's it your up for assault. Doesn't matter if they pushed first, you assaulted them. As we don't know the facts, you can't just go to hitting - when assault is a ridiculous range of things
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
At the moment the only punishment is some public humiliation and going to whatever anger management course his lawyer enlists him in.
I would like to see him removed from the current AB squad. At least then there would be a financial penalty. It also serves as a warning to others
We have a perfectly good squad replacement in Robinson. He should've made the original squad IMO
After that I don't really care. It sounds like a low level incident - he can come back later if he's good enough (..and based on his efforts at Test level so far, he is not good enough)
Yup
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Not that I am taking his side, but 'hitting a woman' is not what this def is. Assault can be pushing someone over, bump into someone in a bar, they push you, you push them, they fall over, knocking their girlfriend to the ground too (cos you're a huge AB) - that's it your up for assault. Doesn't matter if they pushed first, you assaulted them. As we don't know the facts, you can't just go to hitting - when assault is a ridiculous range of things
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
At the moment the only punishment is some public humiliation and going to whatever anger management course his lawyer enlists him in.
I would like to see him removed from the current AB squad. At least then there would be a financial penalty. It also serves as a warning to others
We have a perfectly good squad replacement in Robinson. He should've made the original squad IMO
After that I don't really care. It sounds like a low level incident - he can come back later if he's good enough (..and based on his efforts at Test level so far, he is not good enough)
Yup
@machpants my understanding is that "male assaults female" needs to be slightly more direct than A pushed B into C where C happenes to be a woman, but sure, we dont know all the details
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Yep, all my mates who have got diversion have been for stuff like this. One of them got it for actually pissing on a paddy wagon, the dumb shit.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Yep, all my mates who have got diversion have been for stuff like this. One of them got it for actually pissing on a paddy wagon, the dumb shit.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Yep, all my mates who have got diversion have been for stuff like this. One of them got it for actually pissing on a paddy wagon, the dumb shit.
Strange huh....I didn't even know you could use it for anything other than weed possession
So anyway you'd think as they've taken this long to lay charges that they're pretty confident.
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Yep, all my mates who have got diversion have been for stuff like this. One of them got it for actually pissing on a paddy wagon, the dumb shit.
Strange huh....I didn't even know you could use it for anything other than weed possession
So anyway you'd think as they've taken this long to lay charges that they're pretty confident.
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@bones is it weird they waited this long to press charges only to offer diversion?
@kiwiwomble I guess maybe the alleged victim changed their mind?
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@stargazer Slap on the wrist. Weak from Foster and co.
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@stargazer LOL, one match. But he has to appear in court in September, so can't travel to Australia?
