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Black Caps - Bangladesh tour 2021

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  • RapidoR Rapido

    @chris-b

    I think Ravindra might be a chance for the Indian test tour in November, if he goes OK in Pakistan ODIs. He might get some Plunket Shield before then, but early season wickets ....

    At this stage I'm not sure how they will balance the team for that tour. A functioning CdG would have been extremely handy to a balanced team, but I think we can put a line through that, plus his batting v spin probably reduced the true value his 'on paper' batting balance anyway.

    IMO. The best NZ attack for that tour would be 2 seamers plus the 2 spinners (Patel and Sommerville) plus the allrounder CDG.

    That's now a no-no.

    What are the alternatives?

    • Mitchell straight swap for CdG
    • Ravindra for CdG, and retain an extra one of the 4 seamers (play 3), don't play Sommerville.
    • Play an extra specialist batsman at 6 (Young) and make do with 4 bowlers plus Kane.

    I think Ravindra is the real deal, but that would be one hell of an introduction.

    I'd be OK with any of those 3 choices. I'm wondering if I rate Sommerville more highly than the selectors.

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    @rapido Sommerville was very good on the subcontinent last time. And we need to ability to field two legitimate wicket taking spinners

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      Great start by the Black Caps. Finn Allen 27 off 16; in the context of the series, that's insane

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        NZ 38/0 off 4 overs. 100 is well and truly on, watch out 😄

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          NZ 38/0 off 4 overs. 100 is well and truly on, watch out 😄

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          @nzzp If Allen sticks around we'll be there in no time.

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            @nzzp If Allen sticks around we'll be there in no time.

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            @labcat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

            @nzzp If Allen sticks around we'll be there in no time.

            don't chicken your counts yet my man, plenty to go here.

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            • nzzpN nzzp

              NZ 38/0 off 4 overs. 100 is well and truly on, watch out 😄

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              @nzzp Ravindra just needs to keep his wicket and rotate the strike to Allen when he’s in this form.

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                Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?

                NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now

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                • nzzpN nzzp

                  Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?

                  NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now

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                  @nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                  Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?

                  NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now

                  Well Allen has been batting like that in the three games he has played. But he got out cheaply in the last two, he is very much like McCullum in that he'll either come off big or get out for not much.

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                    @nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                    Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?

                    NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now

                    Well Allen has been batting like that in the three games he has played. But he got out cheaply in the last two, he is very much like McCullum in that he'll either come off big or get out for not much.

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                    He might be out now 😞

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                      @nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                      Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?

                      NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now

                      Well Allen has been batting like that in the three games he has played. But he got out cheaply in the last two, he is very much like McCullum in that he'll either come off big or get out for not much.

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                      @labcat since the beginning of the year he’s come off a lot more than he hasn’t though. A massive talent for such a young player.

                      I think we’ve missed a trick not picking him in the WC squad.

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                        Allen is a huge talent but a slow learner. The reverse sweep in what turned out to be his last over of the last game, and now walking in front of his stumps for a legside flick twice in a row..

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                          Time for CdG to have a big innings.

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                            Time for CdG to have a big innings.

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                            @donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                            Time for CdG to have a big innings.

                            that's a good start! Here for a good time, not a long time

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                              Lol Nasum has gotten CdG out 4 times for 0 runs. Talk about making someone your bitch.

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                                Time for CdG to have a big innings.

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                                @donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                                Time for CdG to have a big innings.

                                Time for CDG to be put out to pasture, I suspect playing with ten players is better value. I could care less that he once was a "cog", He hasn't been for a while and now is as someone said earlier the new foodbill. arghh... sorry drunk grumpy old man comment

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                                  That was a good win.

                                  3-2 series loss with a tight decider in game 4 was a decent result for us. Better than Aus managed!

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                                    @donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                                    Time for CdG to have a big innings.

                                    Time for CDG to be put out to pasture, I suspect playing with ten players is better value. I could care less that he once was a "cog", He hasn't been for a while and now is as someone said earlier the new foodbill. arghh... sorry drunk grumpy old man comment

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                                    @bayimports said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                                    @donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                                    Time for CdG to have a big innings.

                                    Time for CDG to be put out to pasture, I suspect playing with ten players is better value. I could care less that he once was a "cog", He hasn't been for a while and now is as someone said earlier the new foodbill. arghh... sorry drunk grumpy old man comment

                                    Blistering hot take pal

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                                    • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                      @labcat since the beginning of the year he’s come off a lot more than he hasn’t though. A massive talent for such a young player.

                                      I think we’ve missed a trick not picking him in the WC squad.

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                                      @canes4life said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:

                                      @labcat since the beginning of the year he’s come off a lot more than he hasn’t though. A massive talent for such a young player.

                                      I think we’ve missed a trick not picking him in the WC squad.

                                      I think so too. They've gone with neither him nor Munro, so not that absolute 'from ball one go for it' option at the top.

                                      I also think by the time the WC starts, those UAE wickets are going to be worn out and spinning sideways. (the second half of IPL, plus the T20WC prelimnary rounds will be played on them for a month before we play out first games).

                                      So, in hindsight, Ajaz not in the squad is probably also a missed trick. I say in hindsight, as this wasn't an outrageous or particularly controversial decision 10 days ago. But on other hand ... these Bangladesh wickets have made spinners look good, so should be weary of reading too much into it.

                                      NZ do have 3 spinners in that squad (and 2 half/part time spinners), so I'm not criticising the balance for that squad. But we have 2 leggies selected. I just have a hunch that the pitches may get so ragged that we could get even more bang for our buck with 2 specialist finger spinners plus just the one leggie.

                                      I also think Jamieson ahead of Milne is a mistake.

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