All Blacks EOYT 2021
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commentators must be frantily scribbling down some ziggers like "Lord on high" whenever he take a lineout or the classic "good lord!" if he does anything noticeable at all
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
commentators must be frantily scribbling down some ziggers like "Lord on high" whenever he take a lineout or the classic "good lord!" if he does anything noticeable at all
As long as he lords it over the opposition they can zing all they like.
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I think Lord isn't yet ready for international rugby (lack of experience, lack of muscle and physicality). I guess he will earn his first caps against USA and Italy as Whitelock and BBBR will need a rest before the Irish and French tests.
@cgrant said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
I think Lord isn't yet ready for international rugby (lack of experience, lack of muscle and physicality). I guess he will earn his first caps against USA and Italy as Whitelock and BBBR will need a rest before the Irish and French tests.
Whitelock doesn't need a rest! Apart from his NPC game, last Friday, he hasn't played for a while! If he doesn't play a few tests soon, he'll be seriously undercooked for the Irish and French tests.
Edit: The USA and Italy tests are good to give players game time who won't get many opportunities against the stronger opponents, but not because the first choice players need a rest. They've quite a break between the last test against South Africka and the first test of the EOYT.
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@tim said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Ian Foster interview @ 29:00
what dress style is Sir JK aiming for?
Post70s-lounge-midlife crisis The Joker? -
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
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Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
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@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
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Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
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@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
pffft hahaha what? They haven't beaten us since the 50s, so suddenly they are a chance with half their starting team out?
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@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
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@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
But he condradicts this by showing how we play long phases changing attack points and mixing in the odd kick to move the big forwards around until we find a gap against a tiring defence. eg the Will Jordan try
The examples of Havili being way out of structure were the big telling point for me. Maybe we should look at an ALB/Reiko combination? -
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
pffft hahaha what? They haven't beaten us since the 50s, so suddenly they are a chance with half their starting team out?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
pffft hahaha what? They haven't beaten us since the 50s, so suddenly they are a chance with half their starting team out?
Exactly
And Fozzies selections against what will be a Wales B team
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@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
That's hardly insightful. That applies to all teams, hence why they kick after a few phases if they aren't making progress. The world has moved on from Brumby Ball.
The problem for the All Blacks is that they're not making good decisions and they're not executing well. We know this because they are creating space, they're just not exploiting that against better disciplined teams. When we make poor decisions we're easily read.
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@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
That's hardly insightful. That applies to all teams, hence why they kick after a few phases if they aren't making progress. The world has moved on from Brumby Ball.
The problem for the All Blacks is that they're not making good decisions and they're not executing well. We know this because they are creating space, they're just not exploiting that against better disciplined teams. When we make poor decisions we're easily read.
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
That's hardly insightful. That applies to all teams, hence why they kick after a few phases if they aren't making progress. The world has moved on from Brumby Ball.
The problem for the All Blacks is that they're not making good decisions and they're not executing well. We know this because they are creating space, they're just not exploiting that against better disciplined teams. When we make poor decisions we're easily read.
South Africa?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
That's hardly insightful. That applies to all teams, hence why they kick after a few phases if they aren't making progress. The world has moved on from Brumby Ball.
The problem for the All Blacks is that they're not making good decisions and they're not executing well. We know this because they are creating space, they're just not exploiting that against better disciplined teams. When we make poor decisions we're easily read.
South Africa?
@booboo I read that as better than other teams rather than better than the ABs. I'd say yup, the Boks actually are quite disciplined, for them. And it worked 50% of the time...
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@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
That's hardly insightful. That applies to all teams, hence why they kick after a few phases if they aren't making progress. The world has moved on from Brumby Ball.
The problem for the All Blacks is that they're not making good decisions and they're not executing well. We know this because they are creating space, they're just not exploiting that against better disciplined teams. When we make poor decisions we're easily read.
South Africa?
@booboo said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Good to see they're pissed about it, but (as Squidge pointed out) Foster's ABs have big deficencies. Masked by the skill levels of the players, esp on counter, but still no tactical idea beyond that
If SA didn't get that last gasp penalty and we were unbeaten with two wins over the RWC holders would the big deficiencies still exist?
If we roll all our NH opposition that would mean that the state of rugby around the world was in the toilet if that is the case.
I have't actually watched the Squidge tape so not sure what the deficiencies are.
Key point on attack is if we don;t break through on attack straight away, we achieve nothing. Add a few phases in and our shape falls to pieces, at a time we should be building pressure. So outside counter or a bit of 1st phase genius, ABs don't have much on attack.
That's hardly insightful. That applies to all teams, hence why they kick after a few phases if they aren't making progress. The world has moved on from Brumby Ball.
The problem for the All Blacks is that they're not making good decisions and they're not executing well. We know this because they are creating space, they're just not exploiting that against better disciplined teams. When we make poor decisions we're easily read.
South Africa?
Yes. South Africa is better disciplined at staying in their patterns than Argentina or Fiji.
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The upshot is that the video highlights that Havili is either a stopgap measure or a work in progress.
I guess that I haven’t previously watched him closely, just watched when he was involved.
He’s quite lost at times.
That Jordan try came after what looks like a horrible pass from BB but he was passing to Havili who didn’t come onto the ball
Will be interesting to see how they move or persist in the 12 jersey. -
@Crucial agree, Havili is a stop-gap at best. He's done OK but is not our longer term answer there. ALB and Rieko could work well; more and more I'm leaning towards putting Rieko in the midfield as he provides us that point of difference with his pace and power which is lacking at the moment.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
pffft hahaha what? They haven't beaten us since the 50s, so suddenly they are a chance with half their starting team out?
Exactly
And Fozzies selections against what will be a Wales B team
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@l_n_p said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Seems like Wales vs NZ may miss key players like Tipuric, North, Biggar, Rees-Zammit, Faletau etc (see list, ignore clickbait headline)
"While Williams joins Justin Tipuric, George North, Leigh Halfpenny, Dan Lydiate, James Botham, Jarrod Evans and Josh Macleod on the injury list the Welsh are also without their England-based stars ... game is outside the official Test window which means Premiership clubs won’t be required to release their players for the fixture ... Dan Biggar, Louis Rees-Zammit, Taulupe Faletau, Callum Sheedy, Nick Tompkins, Ioan Lloyd and Tommy Reffell will be missing."
Great big banana skin waiting for us there then
pffft hahaha what? They haven't beaten us since the 50s, so suddenly they are a chance with half their starting team out?
Exactly
And Fozzies selections against what will be a Wales B team
But a well coached Wales B Team. Pivac and Rennie seem to have a clear vision on where they're headed.
Both have come up via NH club Head Coach roles. NZ biggest drain these days imho is coaching talent, more than (key) player drain.
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The upshot is that the video highlights that Havili is either a stopgap measure or a work in progress.
I guess that I haven’t previously watched him closely, just watched when he was involved.
He’s quite lost at times.
That Jordan try came after what looks like a horrible pass from BB but he was passing to Havili who didn’t come onto the ball
Will be interesting to see how they move or persist in the 12 jersey.@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
The upshot is that the video highlights that Havili is either a stopgap measure or a work in progress.
I guess that I haven’t previously watched him closely, just watched when he was involved.
He’s quite lost at times.
That Jordan try came after what looks like a horrible pass from BB but he was passing to Havili who didn’t come onto the ball
Will be interesting to see how they move or persist in the 12 jersey.LOL, you conclude that from two seconds of a YT clip from an anonymous pundit that doesn't prove anything and who even specifically says in that video (in the text) that Havili wasn't the only one standing in the wrong position during that test? And BB's pass was a horrible pass.
On top of that, it's Havili's first year playing at 12, give the guy some time. He's been excellent against all other opposition. So work in progress is probably right, but a stopgap, way too soon to make that conclusion.
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@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
The upshot is that the video highlights that Havili is either a stopgap measure or a work in progress.
I guess that I haven’t previously watched him closely, just watched when he was involved.
He’s quite lost at times.
That Jordan try came after what looks like a horrible pass from BB but he was passing to Havili who didn’t come onto the ball
Will be interesting to see how they move or persist in the 12 jersey.LOL, you conclude that from two seconds of a YT clip from an anonymous pundit that doesn't prove anything and who even specifically says in that video (in the text) that Havili wasn't the only one standing in the wrong position during that test? And BB's pass was a horrible pass.
On top of that, it's Havili's first year playing at 12, give the guy some time. He's been excellent against all other opposition. So work in progress is probably right, but a stopgap, way too soon to make that conclusion.
@stargazer said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
The upshot is that the video highlights that Havili is either a stopgap measure or a work in progress.
I guess that I haven’t previously watched him closely, just watched when he was involved.
He’s quite lost at times.
That Jordan try came after what looks like a horrible pass from BB but he was passing to Havili who didn’t come onto the ball
Will be interesting to see how they move or persist in the 12 jersey.LOL, you conclude that from two seconds of a YT clip from an anonymous pundit that doesn't prove anything and who even specifically says in that video (in the text) that Havili wasn't the only one standing in the wrong position during that test? And BB's pass went to no one; if you actually listen, it sounds like Akira was asking for it, so Havili also wouldn't have expected it when the ball basically went in-between him and Akira. It was a horrible pass.
On top of that, it's Havili's first year playing at 12, give the guy some time. He's been excellent against all other opposition.
No the video highlighted something that I went back to check.
Of course Havili is new to the position, I'm not criticising him for doing a job he wasn't planning to do or expecting him to be a top 12 in his first year.
I am saying that it isn't working as well as it could be and that could be why the rest of the phase attack is struggling. The coaches still saw him as the best option and I am wondering if that view may change after a prolonged period to assess.I think ALB/RI is something to explore if they don't have confidence in Tupaea for the big games.
