All Blacks 2022
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@Rancid-Schnitzel anyone seen anything else on the super team changing from Adidas?
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Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
I think defence is an issue across the board. Too often players are slow to react and are then finding themselves out of position.
There were some poor 1-on-1 front on missed tackles no doubt.
One shining light in our defence though was we weren’t passive.
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Tribalism
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life tribalism
Not really. I'm a Canes supporter who hasn't been in the South Island since the age of 5. Unlike some people here I don't give a fůck what Super team someone plays for. Ultimately it's about the Allblacks. And on that front all I can say is that even with his apparent lack of experience and enormous size, Goodhue is a better option at 13 than Rieko.
When he is fit, which isn't often these past few years, he's looked very, very slow at 13. And that's at Super Rugby level. That Bok centre would make him his bitch at Test level.
Pretty much only in the picture as a 12 now.
@Kirwan not that I am advocating him, but I find it interesting in broken play Goodhue is often on the wing, I think it assists with organising the defence inside but also because he is good at cleaning and securing the ball at rucks it helps having him in the wider channels here, despite his pace (lack of)
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury. Ffs I'm on record saying I wish he'd stayed down south and retained that partnership with Goodhue for the Crusaders.
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@Kirwan not that I am advocating him, but I find it interesting in broken play Goodhue is often on the wing, I think it assists with organising the defence inside but also because he is good at cleaning and securing the ball at rucks it helps having him in the wider channels here, despite his pace (lack of)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan not that I am advocating him, but I find it interesting in broken play Goodhue is often on the wing, I think it assists with organising the defence inside but also because he is good at cleaning and securing the ball at rucks it helps having him in the wider channels here, despite his pace.
He's a good player, but I'd have him closer in. At Test level he'd just get exposed IMO. Pace is a big reason ALB and RI are so useful at 13.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury. Ffs I'm on record saying I wish he'd stayed down south and retained that partnership with Goodhue for the Crusaders.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury. Ffs I'm on record saying I wish he'd stayed down south and retained that partnership with Goodhue for the Crusaders.
How many years ago was that? Probably the same time period that Sotutu was still in the backs.
JB is not a serious 12 option unless he plays there at Super Rugby level every week.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury. Ffs I'm on record saying I wish he'd stayed down south and retained that partnership with Goodhue for the Crusaders.
How many years ago was that? Probably the same time period that Sotutu was still in the backs.
JB is not a serious 12 option unless he plays there at Super Rugby level every week.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury. Ffs I'm on record saying I wish he'd stayed down south and retained that partnership with Goodhue for the Crusaders.
How many years ago was that? Probably the same time period that Sotutu was still in the backs.
JB is not a serious 12 option unless he plays there at Super Rugby level every week.
Which I why I wanted him to stay down south. But yeah, it's all about da tribalism.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said the guy wanting a fullback from his team to play 12.
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury. Ffs I'm on record saying I wish he'd stayed down south and retained that partnership with Goodhue for the Crusaders.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury.
This is not correct. He started most of his games at fullback for Canterbury. He also had some starts at 12 and one at 13, but his primary position was fullback
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury.
This is not correct. He started most of his games at fullback for Canterbury. He also had some starts at 12 and one at 13, but his primary position was fullback
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
Yeah ok. It's got nothing to do with the fact that he played at 12 for the NZ U20 and won player of the year in that position for Canterbury.
This is not correct. He started most of his games at fullback for Canterbury. He also had some starts at 12 and one at 13, but his primary position was fullback
He initially started the season at FB, but was then 12 and he ended at 13 because Goodhue was injured. Regardless, the combo he formed with Goodhue looked really good and I wish he'd stayed down there to continue that. I've always said that I would rather him play at 12 for the Saders than 15 for the Canes.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
I think defence is an issue across the board. Too often players are slow to react and are then finding themselves out of position.
There were some poor 1-on-1 front on missed tackles no doubt.
One shining light in our defence though was we weren’t passive.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
I think defence is an issue across the board. Too often players are slow to react and are then finding themselves out of position.
There were some poor 1-on-1 front on missed tackles no doubt.
One shining light in our defence though was we weren’t passive.
On a rewatch of game highlights I found it interesting to note that three slipped tackles were all on Am. Clarke's one the most obvious but there was one from Cane almost identical and I think there was another in that same (called back) run.
He has a running style where he really lifts his knees and steps through tackles at speed. Pretty sure we will adjust to that next time we meet. -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
I think defence is an issue across the board. Too often players are slow to react and are then finding themselves out of position.
There were some poor 1-on-1 front on missed tackles no doubt.
One shining light in our defence though was we weren’t passive.
On a rewatch of game highlights I found it interesting to note that three slipped tackles were all on Am. Clarke's one the most obvious but there was one from Cane almost identical and I think there was another in that same (called back) run.
He has a running style where he really lifts his knees and steps through tackles at speed. Pretty sure we will adjust to that next time we meet.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
I think defence is an issue across the board. Too often players are slow to react and are then finding themselves out of position.
There were some poor 1-on-1 front on missed tackles no doubt.
One shining light in our defence though was we weren’t passive.
On a rewatch of game highlights I found it interesting to note that three slipped tackles were all on Am. Clarke's one the most obvious but there was one from Cane almost identical and I think there was another in that same (called back) run.
He has a running style where he really lifts his knees and steps through tackles at speed. Pretty sure we will adjust to that next time we meet.Havilii missed De Allende too I think
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Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
It seems to me that at 13 good thinkers often prosper. Snakey one, and Am is probably best example in world rugby now.
I’m unconvinced sheer speed is essential, although it obviously opens up options.
Goodhue’s positional nous is top notch, which for me is more valuable at 13.
So, I’d like to see him get a run in ABs, probably outside DH to see how he fits the latest plan.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Rieko Ioane: Has an absolute blinder against the best defence in the world.
Internet Rando: I keep saying he's not a centre's asshole!
Yeah, motm huh, who needs 'em
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Rieko Ioane: Has an absolute blinder against the best defence in the world.
Internet Rando: I keep saying he's not a centre's asshole!
Yeah, motm huh, who needs 'em
Rather ironical that most of those yards were made at wing against a centre playing out of position.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see Havili/Goodhue get some time with current game plan.
Goodhue doesn't have the speed to be effective at centre. He was never quick anyway but looks slower after the injuries. 2nd 5 would be his position.
If you look at the stats from the Jo'burg test, Havili attempted 6 tackles and missed 3 of them. We can all agree that he looked much better on attack but defence is still an issue.
It seems to me that at 13 good thinkers often prosper. Snakey one, and Am is probably best example in world rugby now.
I’m unconvinced sheer speed is essential, although it obviously opens up options.
Goodhue’s positional nous is top notch, which for me is more valuable at 13.
So, I’d like to see him get a run in ABs, probably outside DH to see how he fits the latest plan.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Am is probably best example in world rugby now
Pourquoi
And you claim not to understand Franglais! Fickou est unautre example superbe.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Am is probably best example in world rugby now
Pourquoi
And you claim not to understand Franglais! Fickou est unautre example superbe.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Am is probably best example in world rugby now
Pourquoi
And you claim not to understand Franglais! Fickou est unautre example superbe.
May we
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As much as I am not a fan of Havili I can see the need to stick with this combo.
The one aspect I think sets Havili apart is his distribution ability. Much like Nonu, he's basically got the skills in that regard to put people into space excellently, like a very good 10. He just lacks the rest of the package unfortunately - but I really do think with experience he will certainly be able to bring that skill set to the fore (which will be very valuable), while "bolstering" his other talents to an adequate level.
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It just might be a bit painful getting there...
It may be well worth it if we do get there - though it would be good to know where "there" is and how long we expect it take to get there.
Perhaps, like the front row issues which suddenly seem to be improving, the same will happen in midfield. God knows we've had enough problems there in recent years.
