All Blacks 2022
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Really can’t see RTS playing as an AB 12 unless it is against Japan. He is better suited at center and he would have to displace Reiko and reserve in ALB. Wonder who said second five is your position or was it that we will fit you in at the Blues as such because we already have our center. He should go back to league.
MacDonald said they had a spot free at 12 so shoved him in there. Shortsighted really and you have to wonder what the AB coaches were doing while this was happening.
I agree he should probably go back to League. His best bet to make the RWC squad is to play 14 (or at least 15) for the Blues.
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
His best bet to make the RWC squad is to play 14 (or at least 15) for the Blues.
Just because someone is a fullback in league doesn't mean they are suited to fullback in rugby. Different requirements. Pushing Zarn and Perofeta out of 15 would have been a huge call.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
His best bet to make the RWC squad is to play 14 (or at least 15) for the Blues.
Just because someone is a fullback in league doesn't mean they are suited to fullback in rugby. Different requirements. Pushing Zarn and Perofeta out of 15 would have been a huge call.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
His best bet to make the RWC squad is to play 14 (or at least 15) for the Blues.
Just because someone is a fullback in league doesn't mean they are suited to fullback in rugby. Different requirements. Pushing Zarn and Perofeta out of 15 would have been a huge call.
Which is why I said 14.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie is a shoe in to start against Wales, Scotland and England.
So does Fozzie leave him at 2nd 5 for all or just a couple of those and have a scenario of perhaps Havili playing 12 against Japan and Wales and Jordie against Scotland and England?
Think Foster will be obviously impressed by Jordie at 12 against Oz but that will be tempered by how good or bad he thinks the Oz team actually were - similar to how some on here have attributed the win to a weak opposition, rather that a good AB performance. Foster/Schmidt probably still see Havilli and Reiko as the top pairing until they see more of JB at 12 so wouldn't be surprised to see him there against Japan and one of Scotland or Wales before he's a shoe-in at 12 for Twickenham.
Does Beaudie start at 10 against Japan and and then bench for Wales and then 15 for Scotland and England?
I'd like to see either Perofeta or DMac. BB is a known quantity at 10.
With ALB coming back you could give ALB 13 for Japan and partner with Havili. They played 5 times as a pairing last year against Wales, Boks, Oz and Fiji.
That's a real conundrum. I'd want a fit and firing ALB in my starting team every time, but, with the current midfield permutations, where do you put him?
If Jordie used at 12, ALB to centre and Rieko to a wing.
That would be the worst outcome IMO. They've invested so much with Rieko at 13 and he's shown the development, maturity plus out and out lethal on attack. He's not the finished product and IMO will never be a Conrad Smith but he could be better. If they shift him to the wing now I can't imagine what that will do to his confidence.
Like the front row we are going to have amazing depth at 12/13. Jordie, Havili, RTS at 12 with Goodhue & Tupaea also options. Rieko and ALB primary options at 13.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie is a shoe in to start against Wales, Scotland and England.
So does Fozzie leave him at 2nd 5 for all or just a couple of those and have a scenario of perhaps Havili playing 12 against Japan and Wales and Jordie against Scotland and England?
Think Foster will be obviously impressed by Jordie at 12 against Oz but that will be tempered by how good or bad he thinks the Oz team actually were - similar to how some on here have attributed the win to a weak opposition, rather that a good AB performance. Foster/Schmidt probably still see Havilli and Reiko as the top pairing until they see more of JB at 12 so wouldn't be surprised to see him there against Japan and one of Scotland or Wales before he's a shoe-in at 12 for Twickenham.
Does Beaudie start at 10 against Japan and and then bench for Wales and then 15 for Scotland and England?
I'd like to see either Perofeta or DMac. BB is a known quantity at 10.
With ALB coming back you could give ALB 13 for Japan and partner with Havili. They played 5 times as a pairing last year against Wales, Boks, Oz and Fiji.
That's a real conundrum. I'd want a fit and firing ALB in my starting team every time, but, with the current midfield permutations, where do you put him?
If Jordie used at 12, ALB to centre and Rieko to a wing.
That would be the worst outcome IMO. They've invested so much with Rieko at 13 and he's shown the development, maturity plus out and out lethal on attack. He's not the finished product and IMO will never be a Conrad Smith but he could be better. If they shift him to the wing now I can't imagine what that will do to his confidence.
Like the front row we are going to have amazing depth at 12/13. Jordie, Havili, RTS at 12 with Goodhue & Tupaea also options. Rieko and ALB primary options at 13.
It may not be ideal shifting Ioane and I’d prefer he stay at centre, but with ALB back in the mix Ioane could become our Kahui for the RWC.
Whilst there’s been a bit of talk about Jordie at 12 and I reckon I mentioned it before @Rancid-Schnitzel way back when Jordie was just a young pup for the Cantabs
But if I’m being honest I actually thought he would make a good centre! He’s dabbled there at provincial and may have provided emergency cover at super level.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
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English take on things
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
English take on things
I like that team plenty of upside to it.
I hope Foster has it sent to him. -
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
English take on things
I like that team plenty of upside to it.
I hope Foster has it sent to him.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
Ethan Blackadder = Bogan Jesus?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Charlie Ngatai syndrome
Surely it's now called the Ngatai-Goodhue syndrome?
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@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I hope Foster has it sent to him.
I hope he and Ryan then promptly put it in the bin.
The YT bloke seems to have the current obsession in England that Cane is crap and selected his 6/7/8 around that. Ardie is an 8 not a 7 - that's his position in SR and Test rugby and has been for several seasons. Blackadder is primarily a 6 and currently injured, so a bit weird to say an out-of-position injured player is the best option at 8.
Your opinion I like the team he named .
That back row is up there with playing an injured Jordie on the wing.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Def. needs to be on the EOYT as 3rd 9
He’d get more time as starting 9 for XV
That's a good point, but assuming Smith steps down next year, we'll need 2-3 halfbacks with Test experience. Weber will be 32 and Fakatava is currently the next cab off the rank after Christie.
XV is not test experience but its good enough. It's certainly a step above SR. I'd be much better, along with RTS, ALB (back from injury), perofeta, etc etc playing lots of minutes for XV, than virtually none for ABs. IMO the XV should be all the 3rd stringers, starting every game
In normal times I'd agree 100% but we're only a few Tests away from RWC2023. I'm a bit concerned by lack of experienced cover at 9 if AS or Christie get injured
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
Could be an option after RWC2023
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Saw Blackadder selected at 8 and closed the video. What did he do at test level last year at 7 and 6? Nothing.
I think Blackadder could be a great 6, but at 8 ahead of Ardie? Nah.
I think he'd be an excellent 7.
I just checked the poll from SA 1 last year where he started at 7. Only J Barrett polled higher. They were by far the 2 stand outs. Being heavily involved in a test match victory over the world champs probably counts as more than nothing I'd suggest.
The discussion around loose forwards on this forum is pretty amusing at times. I wouldn't trade the loosie depth in NZ for any other nation*. Having quality guys on the fringes like Grace, Jacobson and MMT et al is absurd, honestly. Sure there's definitely a lack of players performing at a world class level (only Savea who has been consistent), but I don't think that's because of a lack of talent, more instead to do with muddled selection, stuttering team performance and honestly just average coaching (especially pre Ryan). Cane being on the wane and also un-droppable has also been a problem, and Foster needs to genuinely revisit the captaincy question...
*SA is certainly close but then they also select from outside SA too.
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Justin Marshall has been going around saying he would have Blackadder at 8 and ardie at 7 , I’ve heard him say it 2 or 3 times now ,
I suspect this guy watched one of those podcasts and pinched his idea .
