All Blacks 2022
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
It doen't happen that way in business, It doesn't happen that way with other country's rugby teams (some of who are better than us at the moment).
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
Thats not the point I was making at all.
Criticize them by all means but reasons have to be supported and not just rubbish like 'common sense'.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
Hardly need much knowledge to recognise that good teams delegate tasks and look for people with expertise in areas of weakness.
The CEO has a Deputy that is the CFO who in turn pays for advice from a tax expert.Nope, for big business that's normal.
This is like the CFO paying for someone else to to do their own role because their performance isn't adequate. Basically paying twice for the same thing and eventually they will be found out and removed.
Public Servants and bad business are excellent at paying twice
They have explained what Cron and Stawbridge are doing and it isn't doing someone else's job. So no, not twice for the same thing.
To me it's bad business if you cant recognise when someone else can improve an aspect to your benefit. Squeezing the little bit extra out.
So in the CFO example you have someone come to you as a specialist expert in tax and you assess that their expertise added in could net some savings. It is expertise gained by concentrating on being a specialist only and they are in demand and want to stay as a specialist. Their skills are over and above what meets the definition of adequate performance. -
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
Thats not the point I was making at all.
Criticize them by all means but reasons have to be supported and not just rubbish like 'common sense'.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Pub leaner like thinking going on here. I'm out.
Don't leave. How else are we to bathe in your exalted knowledge of high performing teams?
People here are so keen to stick the boot into Foster and Co that they are coming up with rubbish. So you want a Head Coach that knows everything and has no need for assistants? And those assistants must, in turn, have the best knowledge about everything in their sphere?
People are criticizing Foster a lot because he's clearly a poor AB head coach - not about having a rocket scientist to run the show... all we want is a head coach & coaching staff that can coach with good common sense, so you then know they'll apply a good game plan, tactics, selections etc.
Thats not the point I was making at all.
Criticize them by all means but reasons have to be supported and not just rubbish like 'common sense'.
That's the point mate, he doesn't coach with common sense... you only have to watch the way we play, not difficult to work out.
As we all know getting on top in the forwards is vital in the game - we're getting beaten by the top teams more regularly because they're executing the basics much better than us at the breakdown, obviously the most contested area of the game, yet Foster has done stuff all to address it... also it's a dumb tactic of his to consistently use box kicks to try & break down these flat & rushing defences.
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There was a rumour that some of the player management last year wasn't as good as it could be, so some of the new coaches might be improving that.
@tim player management? WTF does that mean? Another excuse and I know you are not his advocate. The problem is the coach. Always has been. He is not there by consensus of the fern and probably NZ. He is inadequate. He was at the Chiefs. Nothing has changed. It’s like putting a smiley face on a turd. It’s still a turd.
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@tim player management? WTF does that mean? Another excuse and I know you are not his advocate. The problem is the coach. Always has been. He is not there by consensus of the fern and probably NZ. He is inadequate. He was at the Chiefs. Nothing has changed. It’s like putting a smiley face on a turd. It’s still a turd.
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@broughie It's a criticism of the coaches, not an excuse. As in the "man management" side of their coaching/organizing could have been better.
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I'm guessing that the starting tight five for this year is firming up. I can see it being the following:
1 Moody
2 Taukei'aho
3 Tu'ungafasi
4 Barrett
5 Retallick (still there on reputation)Really hoping that one lock will emerge from the pack to replace Retallick, who is purely in the squad on reputation. Not convinced by Vaa'i. Lord looks to have the goods, but is probably a year away. Plenty of time for more dynamic loose heads like Hodgman, de Groot, and Norris would be great. I'm assuming that Coles won't make it to 2023. Aumua is on the fringe, and hasn't kicked on. Lomax is middling, and Laulala needs to improve his impact. Tight head is pretty bare. Would be worth giving Newell a couple of games.
Reserves might be something like:
Taylor
Hodgman
Laulala
Vaa'i (Whitelock to rotate with Retallick in the starting role) -
I'm guessing that the starting tight five for this year is firming up. I can see it being the following:
1 Moody
2 Taukei'aho
3 Tu'ungafasi
4 Barrett
5 Retallick (still there on reputation)Really hoping that one lock will emerge from the pack to replace Retallick, who is purely in the squad on reputation. Not convinced by Vaa'i. Lord looks to have the goods, but is probably a year away. Plenty of time for more dynamic loose heads like Hodgman, de Groot, and Norris would be great. I'm assuming that Coles won't make it to 2023. Aumua is on the fringe, and hasn't kicked on. Lomax is middling, and Laulala needs to improve his impact. Tight head is pretty bare. Would be worth giving Newell a couple of games.
Reserves might be something like:
Taylor
Hodgman
Laulala
Vaa'i (Whitelock to rotate with Retallick in the starting role)@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm guessing that the starting tight five for this year is firming up. I can see it being the following:
1 Moody
2 Taukei'aho
3 Tu'ungafasi
4 Barrett
5 Retallick (still there on reputation)Really hoping that one lock will emerge from the pack to replace Retallick, who is purely in the squad on reputation. Not convinced by Vaa'i. Lord looks to have the goods, but is probably a year away. Plenty of time for more dynamic loose heads like Hodgman, de Groot, and Norris would be great. I'm assuming that Coles won't make it to 2023. Aumua is on the fringe, and hasn't kicked on. Lomax is middling, and Laulala needs to improve his impact. Tight head is pretty bare. Would be worth giving Newell a couple of games.
Reserves might be something like:
Taylor
Hodgman
Laulala
Vaa'i (Whitelock to rotate with Retallick in the starting role)Picking the top XV is a pretty hard job. Plenty of options in most positions. Very few stand out as head and shoulders better.
I'll take your Whitelock bait on behalf of the Cantabs though. Would probably sneak him in in front of BBR (needs to earn his third B back).
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@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm guessing that the starting tight five for this year is firming up. I can see it being the following:
1 Moody
2 Taukei'aho
3 Tu'ungafasi
4 Barrett
5 Retallick (still there on reputation)Really hoping that one lock will emerge from the pack to replace Retallick, who is purely in the squad on reputation. Not convinced by Vaa'i. Lord looks to have the goods, but is probably a year away. Plenty of time for more dynamic loose heads like Hodgman, de Groot, and Norris would be great. I'm assuming that Coles won't make it to 2023. Aumua is on the fringe, and hasn't kicked on. Lomax is middling, and Laulala needs to improve his impact. Tight head is pretty bare. Would be worth giving Newell a couple of games.
Reserves might be something like:
Taylor
Hodgman
Laulala
Vaa'i (Whitelock to rotate with Retallick in the starting role)Picking the top XV is a pretty hard job. Plenty of options in most positions. Very few stand out as head and shoulders better.
I'll take your Whitelock bait on behalf of the Cantabs though. Would probably sneak him in in front of BBR (needs to earn his third B back).
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Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan -
Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan -
Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan -
@tim if have the topXV from 7 out as
Cane, savea, Smith, Barrett, Ioane, Barrett, alb, Reece, Jordan. ?, Mounga, and Leicester on the bench backs.
Clark hasn't shown enough yet this year, imo. But happy to see a look at yours!
@machpants That is what I am seeing at the moment. Mounga really needs to get his mojo back though. We need someone who can manage the end of the game and that includes kicking for territory (example Steyn in the 2nd test vs ABs).
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Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 JordanI think you should Jordie as 15 contender where I till think he may play for ABs
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@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 JordanI think you should Jordie as 15 contender where I till think he may play for ABs
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@dan54 Oh I think Jordie will be the 1st choice 15, but I'd like to see him get a run at 12 too.
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- De Groot
- Taukeiaho
- Lomax
- Lord
- Whitelock (rotates w/ Retallick)
- Savea
- Cane
- PGS
- Smith
- B. Barrett
- Ioane
- J. Barrett
- ALB
- Reece
- Jordan
- Taylor
- Norris
- Ta’avo
- Vaa’I (S. Barrett?)
- Papalii (Jacobson?)
- Weber
- Mo’unga
- Tupaea (TUJ / PUJ / RTS / Nankivell?)
Wouldn’t mind this team going forward
Inexperienced props sure but think it’s time to get rid of the older non-performers imo
