Rugby Championship 2022
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Tim as much as i fucking haaaaate the current framework
this is a dumb ass decision that only negatively affects the teams involved in the long run. This is never going ahead in the rest of the rugby world (where there appears to be zero appetite) so why play at all under these conditions?
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
Its a sad reflection that it is not seen as a positive move elsewhere, but I agree unless it garners a genuine chance of implementation elsewhere, I think its pointless playing under these rules.
If management deemed that is was seen that we needed to adapt better to the full card scenarios then this also doesn't help force change in some areas because you can potentially cope for twenty minutes
@bayimports said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
you can potentially cope for twenty minutes
it definitely changes your risk profiles anyway
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@Machpants Really good decision!
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The NH logic doesn't stand up.
Does a 'full' RC in the 61st minute therefore not carry enough deterrent? Therefore are players likely to be more deliberately reckless at that point in the game?
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@Tim as much as i fucking haaaaate the current framework
this is a dumb ass decision that only negatively affects the teams involved in the long run. This is never going ahead in the rest of the rugby world (where there appears to be zero appetite) so why play at all under these conditions?
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
@mariner4life yeah this really is the ambulance stuck on a ledge halfway down the cliff!
Needs to be some work done with players, coaches, refs as well as plenty of rules or interpretations need work to reduce the number of cards.
Only need to look at the ass of humanity that is social media to see all the calls for more cards! Man, imagine if Mealamu & Tana had tried to murder BoD in the age of social media!!
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@bayimports said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
you can potentially cope for twenty minutes
it definitely changes your risk profiles anyway
@mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@bayimports said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
you can potentially cope for twenty minutes
it definitely changes your risk profiles anyway
Agreed. We become more accepting of actions that can lead to RCs. That's not going to help us outside of this comp.
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@mariner4life yeah this really is the ambulance stuck on a ledge halfway down the cliff!
Needs to be some work done with players, coaches, refs as well as plenty of rules or interpretations need work to reduce the number of cards.
Only need to look at the ass of humanity that is social media to see all the calls for more cards! Man, imagine if Mealamu & Tana had tried to murder BoD in the age of social media!!
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@mariner4life yeah this really is the ambulance stuck on a ledge halfway down the cliff!
Needs to be some work done with players, coaches, refs as well as plenty of rules or interpretations need work to reduce the number of cards.
Only need to look at the ass of humanity that is social media to see all the calls for more cards! Man, imagine if Mealamu & Tana had tried to murder BoD in the age of social media!!
that really depends on the direction of the card. I saw much much less after test 3 than i did after, say, test 1 and 2?
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Vast majority of these RCs are 'foul play' due to being adjudged as reckless. That should be a difficult judgement to make from short slo-mo clips shown on stadium screens.
I would be more than happy for YCs and a judiciary appearance (on report) in these cases.
In no way does that mean acceptance of poor technique (which is what they are trying to achieve). Maybe the addition of fines (proceeds to player welfare organisations) would ensure more corporate adherence to the principles of risk reduced technique via coaching. -
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
@Winger said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
Yuck. I only just realised that. Back to the old days of cheese toasties and milo in the early hours.
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Vast majority of these RCs are 'foul play' due to being adjudged as reckless. That should be a difficult judgement to make from short slo-mo clips shown on stadium screens.
I would be more than happy for YCs and a judiciary appearance (on report) in these cases.
In no way does that mean acceptance of poor technique (which is what they are trying to achieve). Maybe the addition of fines (proceeds to player welfare organisations) would ensure more corporate adherence to the principles of risk reduced technique via coaching.@Crucial or like in real life, you have to attend driver training or anger management or similar to limit your sentence, have a coaching and/or tackling technique course players must attend post receiving a card for such incidents.
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@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
@Winger said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
Yeah, that time sucks. I was leaning towards watching a replay for the first time that I can remember, but the coaching changes have renewed my interest. I'll wait to see what team is selected and then decide.
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@Winger said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
Yeah, that time sucks. I was leaning towards watching a replay for the first time that I can remember, but the coaching changes have renewed my interest. I'll wait to see what team is selected and then decide.
@Bovidae said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Winger said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
Yeah, that time sucks. I was leaning towards watching a replay for the first time that I can remember, but the coaching changes have renewed my interest. I'll wait to see what team is selected and then decide.
It couldn't be a worse time for nzers. And so easy to make it a lot better.
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@Tim as much as i fucking haaaaate the current framework
this is a dumb ass decision that only negatively affects the teams involved in the long run. This is never going ahead in the rest of the rugby world (where there appears to be zero appetite) so why play at all under these conditions?
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
@mariner4life said in Rugby Championship 2022:
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
Welshophobe.
17 years reffing experience, common sense suggestions that would help improve the ABs chances, what is not to love?https://www.ruck.co.uk/the-games-out-of-control-nigel-owens-wants-five-law-changes-asap/
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@Winger said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
Yeah, that time sucks. I was leaning towards watching a replay for the first time that I can remember, but the coaching changes have renewed my interest. I'll wait to see what team is selected and then decide.
@Bovidae said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Winger said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Bovidae pity SA don't play the game later. 5-7am would just mean up early. But 3-5am is too early and too late
Yeah, that time sucks. I was leaning towards watching a replay for the first time that I can remember, but the coaching changes have renewed my interest. I'll wait to see what team is selected and then decide.
i can't remember the last time i watched an over-night game live. On demand replays when i wake up is perfect thanks
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@Tim as much as i fucking haaaaate the current framework
this is a dumb ass decision that only negatively affects the teams involved in the long run. This is never going ahead in the rest of the rugby world (where there appears to be zero appetite) so why play at all under these conditions?
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
@mariner4life said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@Tim as much as i fucking haaaaate the current framework
this is a dumb ass decision that only negatively affects the teams involved in the long run. This is never going ahead in the rest of the rugby world (where there appears to be zero appetite) so why play at all under these conditions?
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
That was my initial reaction but actually I don't care. I'd rather just watch a fair contest.
Ireland and NZ basically committed the same amount of red card offences in their series so it's hard to argue that Ireland are "better" behaved/conditioned than NZ anyway.
The more often we play under these variations maybe the NH brainiacs will come around to them.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby Championship 2022:
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
Welshophobe.
17 years reffing experience, common sense suggestions that would help improve the ABs chances, what is not to love?https://www.ruck.co.uk/the-games-out-of-control-nigel-owens-wants-five-law-changes-asap/
@nostrildamus said in Rugby Championship 2022:
@mariner4life said in Rugby Championship 2022:
Also can we stop asking Owens to have a say in anything because he occasionally said funny stuff while reffing?
Welshophobe.
17 years reffing experience, common sense suggestions that would help improve the ABs chances, what is not to love?https://www.ruck.co.uk/the-games-out-of-control-nigel-owens-wants-five-law-changes-asap/
Agree with all of those
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