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Black Caps tour of England 2022

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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    ACT Crusader
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    #559

    Well done England. We were (sort of) in this series, but then taken away from each match, by superior 4th innings batting helped by some poor bowling and selections by us.

    300+ 4th inning run chases are no longer safe!

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      That’s a paddling.

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        Well done Mitch Jnr for Player of the Series

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          When your top order fails to fire, and you compound this with poor selection and tactics, we had no chance. Captaincy from Kane and Tom seemed to lack inspiration

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            #563

            That Bracewell turned out to be cannon fodder shouldn't also mask the overall poor performance of the pace attack during the series. Runs were flowing off them like a 2000's ODI as well, and Southee seemed a bit cooked after the first test.

            None of which was helped by some pretty listless captaincy in the field.

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            • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

              That Bracewell turned out to be cannon fodder shouldn't also mask the overall poor performance of the pace attack during the series. Runs were flowing off them like a 2000's ODI as well, and Southee seemed a bit cooked after the first test.

              None of which was helped by some pretty listless captaincy in the field.

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              or injuries too too be fair. but we couldn't ever control their run rate, and with a top order falling, that's that.

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                Well that sucked!!!

                I have avoided this thread and pretty much all commentary on the series.

                The Rose Bowl seems like a generation ago...

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                  Mitchell and Blundell are two huge positives to come out of this.

                  The top 5 have been comically bad. Currently without a doubt the worst top 5 going. By a long way. Not even close.

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                  • canefanC canefan

                    When your top order fails to fire, and you compound this with poor selection and tactics, we had no chance. Captaincy from Kane and Tom seemed to lack inspiration

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                    @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                    When your top order fails to fire, and you compound this with poor selection and tactics, we had no chance. Captaincy from Kane and Tom seemed to lack inspiration

                    Lots of reasons but have NZC not learned that trying to tour without adequate preparation ends in failure? Talk about doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
                    IPL fucks things up but it’s NZCs job to get past that.

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                      #568

                      I suspect we find out over the next six months whether Kane is still a going concern, or whether that feared Martin Crowe like ending to his international career looms. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think the signs are great.

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                      • CrucialC Crucial

                        @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                        When your top order fails to fire, and you compound this with poor selection and tactics, we had no chance. Captaincy from Kane and Tom seemed to lack inspiration

                        Lots of reasons but have NZC not learned that trying to tour without adequate preparation ends in failure? Talk about doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
                        IPL fucks things up but it’s NZCs job to get past that.

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                        @Crucial said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                        @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                        When your top order fails to fire, and you compound this with poor selection and tactics, we had no chance. Captaincy from Kane and Tom seemed to lack inspiration

                        Lots of reasons but have NZC not learned that trying to tour without adequate preparation ends in failure? Talk about doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
                        IPL fucks things up but it’s NZCs job to get past that.

                        To be unusually fair to them, two warm-up first class games is probably more prep than most tours these days. The top order still shat the bed with the bat in one of those games as well...

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          @canefan said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                          When your top order fails to fire, and you compound this with poor selection and tactics, we had no chance. Captaincy from Kane and Tom seemed to lack inspiration

                          Lots of reasons but have NZC not learned that trying to tour without adequate preparation ends in failure? Talk about doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
                          IPL fucks things up but it’s NZCs job to get past that.

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                          dogmeat
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                          @Crucial That argument would be more valid if we hadn't been in a position to win all three tests but failed to grasp the moment

                          1st Test England four down early chasing nearly 300
                          2nd test 550 in first innings after being put in
                          3rd Test England 6 down in first innings still nearly 300 behind!!

                          That's not a lack of preparation.

                          If not for Mitch, Blundell and Boult we'd be Zimbabwe bad.

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                            Spark Sport only seems to broadcast the Black Craps.

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                            • D Darren

                              Mitchell and Blundell are two huge positives to come out of this.

                              The top 5 have been comically bad. Currently without a doubt the worst top 5 going. By a long way. Not even close.

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                              #572

                              @Darren said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                              Mitchell and Blundell are two huge positives to come out of this.

                              The top 5 have been comically bad. Currently without a doubt the worst top 5 going. By a long way. Not even close.

                              I don’t agree with that at all, the guy batting five in the first test went ok.

                              The other four are all in various degrees of terrible form though.

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                                @Darren said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                Mitchell and Blundell are two huge positives to come out of this.

                                The top 5 have been comically bad. Currently without a doubt the worst top 5 going. By a long way. Not even close.

                                I don’t agree with that at all, the guy batting five in the first test went ok.

                                The other four are all in various degrees of terrible form though.

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                                @MN5 Nice quick edit on that one... 🙂

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                                • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                                  @MN5 Nice quick edit on that one... 🙂

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                                  @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                  @MN5 Nice quick edit on that one... 🙂

                                  It’s hard to type logically when you’re annoyed about the cricket

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                                  • MN5M MN5

                                    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                    @MN5 Nice quick edit on that one... 🙂

                                    It’s hard to type logically when you’re annoyed about the cricket

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                                    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                    @MN5 Nice quick edit on that one... 🙂

                                    It’s hard to think logically when you’re annoyed about the cricket

                                    This morning I feel like that Warriors supporter video that went viral a few years back, especially the parody of the fan who wanted to sack everyone.

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                                    • dogmeatD dogmeat

                                      @Crucial That argument would be more valid if we hadn't been in a position to win all three tests but failed to grasp the moment

                                      1st Test England four down early chasing nearly 300
                                      2nd test 550 in first innings after being put in
                                      3rd Test England 6 down in first innings still nearly 300 behind!!

                                      That's not a lack of preparation.

                                      If not for Mitch, Blundell and Boult we'd be Zimbabwe bad.

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                                      MN5
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                                      #576

                                      @dogmeat said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                      @Crucial That argument would be more valid if we hadn't been in a position to win all three tests but failed to grasp the moment

                                      1st Test England four down early chasing nearly 300
                                      2nd test 550 in first innings after being put in
                                      3rd Test England 6 down in first innings still nearly 300 behind!!

                                      That's not a lack of preparation.

                                      If not for Mitch, Blundell and Boult we'd be Zimbabwe bad.

                                      That pains me most of all, it’s not like this England team is amazing. In fact before the series I did a Sean Fitzpatrick like post mentioning how few Poms would make a combined team. It hasn’t aged well.

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                                      • MN5M MN5

                                        @dogmeat said in Black Caps tour of England 2022:

                                        @Crucial That argument would be more valid if we hadn't been in a position to win all three tests but failed to grasp the moment

                                        1st Test England four down early chasing nearly 300
                                        2nd test 550 in first innings after being put in
                                        3rd Test England 6 down in first innings still nearly 300 behind!!

                                        That's not a lack of preparation.

                                        If not for Mitch, Blundell and Boult we'd be Zimbabwe bad.

                                        That pains me most of all, it’s not like this England team is amazing. In fact before the series I did a Sean Fitzpatrick like post mentioning how few Poms would make a combined team. It hasn’t aged well.

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                                        dogmeat
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                                        @MN5 I remember that hubristic post of yours.

                                        At the time I thought it could well come back to bite you and wanted to call for your banning for posting it.

                                        Mind you I want to get you banned for at least 50% of your posts!

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                                          No Quarter
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                                          #578

                                          The English team is definitely better than their recent results suggest, and with Baz at the helm he will get them playing to their strengths - i.e. playing attacking cricket which they do so well in the shorter forms - so while they'll no doubt have some losses they are actually a chance if picking up some great wins as well now.

                                          As @dogmeat says, in all 3 tests we got into positions of dominance but then didn't have that killer instinct that we showed during the last WTC to finish the job. We're missing some all time greats (BJ, Rosco) and Kane has been in and out of the side lately, so that's going to hurt us giving our paper thin depth at the best if times. We just don't have the same experience and leadership across the board that we used to.

                                          Still, we are a far cry from some of the genuine Black Craps teams of the past, still plenty of quality in our lineup, but the golden era does appear to have come to an end.

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