Super Rugby 2023
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2023:
@nzzp i have to admit im not sure how relevant that is, all NFL/NBL...hell, any america sports and any football players probably gets paid more than most rugby players, i dont see it as a money thing...theyre already going around the country, teams and agents are already doing deals, players are released early and given shots elsewhere...we're just talking about actually showing all that in the build up to a season to build some hype in a way other than jamming in 9's tournament that the best players didn't play in because they didn't want to get injured
The key point, seven outside the money, is American teams don't develop their own players. They pick them from college. So every franchise would drop their academy if there was a draft, why waste money on that?
This is really very similar to Ozzie boss trying to get a bigger slice of the NZR money pie, he's trying to get access to better players from over here
@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2023:
@nzzp i have to admit im not sure how relevant that is, all NFL/NBL...hell, any america sports and any football players probably gets paid more than most rugby players, i dont see it as a money thing...theyre already going around the country, teams and agents are already doing deals, players are released early and given shots elsewhere...we're just talking about actually showing all that in the build up to a season to build some hype in a way other than jamming in 9's tournament that the best players didn't play in because they didn't want to get injured
The key point, seven outside the money, is American teams don't develop their own players. They pick them from college. So every franchise would drop their academy if there was a draft, why waste money on that?
This is really very similar to Ozzie boss trying to get a bigger slice of the NZR money pie, he's trying to get access to better players from over here
NFL / NBA is the wrong place to be looking when it comes implementing a draft - much better to be looking at the AFL where kids are drafted out of school or junior club footy that has no affiliation to the senior AFL club. As @Kiwiwomble said, there are some limitations, as well as the father-son rule, which promotes dynastic recruitment and could be something the Super Rugby franchises could do in due course. The AFL draft is not nearly as big a show as the NFL and NBA drafts, even in relative terms, but it does create some interest during the offseason, adding to the 24/7-365 environment, as well creating longer term interest among fans keen to see how their draft picks progress and kick on.
Other than the potential cost of it, I don't see any major downside of something that can only get more interest for Super Rugby, especially during the offseason.
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A breakthrough in the Super Rugby wars is on the horizon after New Zealand Rugby’s top brass met with their Australian counterparts at the Wallabies’ Rugby Championship match in Adelaide. Hours before the All Blacks suffered a humiliating loss to Argentina in Christchurch, the Herald can reveal that the NZR chief executive and two board members were at the Rugby Australia chairman’s lounge at Adelaide Oval. Sources close to both camps indicated the gathering was “positive” and “productive”, with a new long-term deal for Super Rugby likely within a couple of weeks. Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA. New Zealand seemed likely to reject a 10-year deal, however, with the final agreement likely to be for a shorter period. -
The Warratahs have signed Taleni Seu from Japan -
https://www.rugby.com.au/news/waratahs-bolster-lock-depth-taleni-seu-zac-von-appen-zane-marolt-2022831?fbclid=IwAR199VY2UcuczuUPFlab9DmLeTAX3Ks066FNP-OSd-ZyuzXyJo7iGKmB3Fk -
The Warratahs have signed Taleni Seu from Japan -
https://www.rugby.com.au/news/waratahs-bolster-lock-depth-taleni-seu-zac-von-appen-zane-marolt-2022831?fbclid=IwAR199VY2UcuczuUPFlab9DmLeTAX3Ks066FNP-OSd-ZyuzXyJo7iGKmB3Fk@Daffy-Jaffy Shame he decided to leave NZ rugby. The telling photo really says it all!
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Wasn't sure where to put this or if it is even interesting but the those flippin' Saders beat us again :cat_face_with_wry_smile:
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Wasn't sure where to put this or if it is even interesting but the those flippin' Saders beat us again :cat_face_with_wry_smile:
@Daffy-Jaffy Bloody hell, that's quite an unexpected graphic!
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Wasn't sure where to put this or if it is even interesting but the those flippin' Saders beat us again :cat_face_with_wry_smile:
@Daffy-Jaffy i didnt know they could read
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@Daffy-Jaffy i didnt know they could read
@ploughboy said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Daffy-Jaffy i didnt know they could read
Operating a smart phone gets easier when you have 3 thumbs.
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@Chris I don't know how a draft would work (I don't follow American sports), but it sounds like a terrible idea. What's the point of developing players in a franchise's academy if that franchise can't be reasonably sure that they actually get to benefit from developing those players, if they want to? Of course, under the current system sometimes players leave, too, but it's more the exception than the rule when a player signs with another franchise before having played for the franchise that developed him.
Even worse if a NZ developed player is drafted by an Aussie franchise, and then being snapped up by the Wallabies.
If it would force players - who have always dreamt of playing for their "home franchise" - to play for another franchise, then players may rather go for a bigger pay check overseas than being drafted by the Force or Rebels (or another NZ franchise). A player should have the freedom to play for the team he wants to play for, if that team wants him too.
Agree with @Mackerzzzz about the loss of tribalism.
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
Even worse if a NZ developed player is drafted by an Aussie franchise, and then being snapped up by the Wallabies.
That's exactly what they want.
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A breakthrough in the Super Rugby wars is on the horizon after New Zealand Rugby’s top brass met with their Australian counterparts at the Wallabies’ Rugby Championship match in Adelaide. Hours before the All Blacks suffered a humiliating loss to Argentina in Christchurch, the Herald can reveal that the NZR chief executive and two board members were at the Rugby Australia chairman’s lounge at Adelaide Oval. Sources close to both camps indicated the gathering was “positive” and “productive”, with a new long-term deal for Super Rugby likely within a couple of weeks. Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA. New Zealand seemed likely to reject a 10-year deal, however, with the final agreement likely to be for a shorter period.@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
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@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
Wasn’t the old version of super rugby largely funded by NZ/Aus getting a cut from the larger broadcasting deal the South Africans had? Super sport maybe? Not sure when that changed. Might be wrong.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
Wasn’t the old version of super rugby largely funded by NZ/Aus getting a cut from the larger broadcasting deal the South Africans had? Super sport maybe? Not sure when that changed. Might be wrong.
@pukunui thats what i had always believed, and that that was why the SA teams got afternoon kick offs etc but i think someone corrected me on here, if it was ever the case it changed a long time ago
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
Wasn’t the old version of super rugby largely funded by NZ/Aus getting a cut from the larger broadcasting deal the South Africans had? Super sport maybe? Not sure when that changed. Might be wrong.
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
Wasn’t the old version of super rugby largely funded by NZ/Aus getting a cut from the larger broadcasting deal the South Africans had? Super sport maybe? Not sure when that changed. Might be wrong.
Isn't it also a bit like what we want when we play say England at Twickenham. .
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
Wasn’t the old version of super rugby largely funded by NZ/Aus getting a cut from the larger broadcasting deal the South Africans had? Super sport maybe? Not sure when that changed. Might be wrong.
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2023:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph quoted the ARU mouthpiece in Super Rugby 2023:
Crucially, New Zealand appears to have softened its stance towards Australia’s demand for an even split of broadcast revenue, signifying a victory for RA.
I don't understand this: You can sell your part for more than we can, so we want part of your revenue too?
Wasn’t the old version of super rugby largely funded by NZ/Aus getting a cut from the larger broadcasting deal the South Africans had? Super sport maybe? Not sure when that changed. Might be wrong.
I believe that they agreed SANZAR sold the rights and hence benefited as a whole. In the current iteration, RA and NZR are individually selling their rights.
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@Daffy-Jaffy i didnt know they could read
@ploughboy said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Daffy-Jaffy i didnt know they could read
Ah yes, that great reading app, Instagram
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The full draw will be released soon.
Super Round Match Schedule: (Australian times)
Friday 3 March
Crusaders v Highlanders, 6.00pm
Melbourne Rebels v Hurricanes, 8.10pm
Saturday 4 MarchMoana Pasifika v Chiefs, 5.05pm
Fijian Drua v Waratahs, 7.45pm
Sunday 5 MarchBlues v Brumbies, 2.00pm
Force v Reds, 4.30pm
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby 2023:
OH! thats what they were advertising at the game last night, we keep seeing this ad roll around the advertising hoarding "returning to melbourne"....but no one could make out the actual logo when i came up...too small and unfamiliar, became a bit of a joke amoungst those around us trying to work out what it was when it came up
