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  • StargazerS Stargazer

    The ABs squad will be smaller for the RWC, so players will drop out, rather than players being added. So if you're considering a bolter, it has to be because a player drops out for whatever reason.

    Player to watch and possible ABs bolter for me is Marino Mikaele-Tu'u, but that would probably be to replace Sotutu in that backrow, or heaven forbid, an injured Ardie Savea. I think they'll then go for Cullen Grace, but I'd like to think they'll at least consider MMT.

    If he has a good season, Blackadder will almost certainly push out one of the loosies. That could be Frizell, because he's leaving NZ, or A Ioane who has been disappointing. Blackadder - with his added versatility - is definitely one to watch.

    The figt for the LH spots will also be interesting, with Moody returning.

    I can't see much changing in the backline, except RTS dropping out of the squad (Goodhue coming in), and possibly Dmac replacing Perofeta.
    The figt will be for a spot on the wing, I think. Clarke needs to step up (but seems undroppable for some reason), but it will probably be between Sevu Reece and Mark Telea. If you want Stevenson to get in, he'll be up against Dmac. Can't see Stevenson winning that. He maybe has a chance if Jordan keeps struggling with his health.

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    @Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:

    The ABs squad will be smaller for the RWC, so players will drop out, rather than players being added. So if you're considering a bolter, it has to be because a player drops out for whatever reason.

    Player to watch and possible ABs bolter for me is Marino Mikaele-Tu'u, but that would probably be to replace Sotutu in that backrow, or heaven forbid, an injured Ardie Savea. I think they'll then go for Cullen Grace, but I'd like to think they'll at least consider MMT.

    If he has a good season, Blackadder will almost certainly push out one of the loosies. That could be Frizell, because he's leaving NZ, or A Ioane who has been disappointing. Blackadder - with his added versatility - is definitely one to watch.

    The figt for the LH spots will also be interesting, with Moody returning.

    I can't see much changing in the backline, except RTS dropping out of the squad (Goodhue coming in), and possibly Dmac replacing Perofeta.
    The figt will be for a spot on the wing, I think. Clarke needs to step up (but seems undroppable for some reason), but it will probably be between Sevu Reece and Mark Telea. If you want Stevenson to get in, he'll be up against Dmac. Can't see Stevenson winning that. He maybe has a chance if Jordan keeps struggling with his health.

    I have a feeling that one of BB or WJ won't make it. Nothing to base that on but we always see an injury rule someone out that is pencilled in early (last time it was DMac)

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    • CrucialC Crucial

      @Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:

      The ABs squad will be smaller for the RWC, so players will drop out, rather than players being added. So if you're considering a bolter, it has to be because a player drops out for whatever reason.

      Player to watch and possible ABs bolter for me is Marino Mikaele-Tu'u, but that would probably be to replace Sotutu in that backrow, or heaven forbid, an injured Ardie Savea. I think they'll then go for Cullen Grace, but I'd like to think they'll at least consider MMT.

      If he has a good season, Blackadder will almost certainly push out one of the loosies. That could be Frizell, because he's leaving NZ, or A Ioane who has been disappointing. Blackadder - with his added versatility - is definitely one to watch.

      The figt for the LH spots will also be interesting, with Moody returning.

      I can't see much changing in the backline, except RTS dropping out of the squad (Goodhue coming in), and possibly Dmac replacing Perofeta.
      The figt will be for a spot on the wing, I think. Clarke needs to step up (but seems undroppable for some reason), but it will probably be between Sevu Reece and Mark Telea. If you want Stevenson to get in, he'll be up against Dmac. Can't see Stevenson winning that. He maybe has a chance if Jordan keeps struggling with his health.

      I have a feeling that one of BB or WJ won't make it. Nothing to base that on but we always see an injury rule someone out that is pencilled in early (last time it was DMac)

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      @Crucial Yes very good point about injuries. If injuries strike the locks (or they decide to take 4 locks) someone like Josh Lord could potentially force their way in to the AB squad.

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @Crucial Yes very good point about injuries. If injuries strike the locks (or they decide to take 4 locks) someone like Josh Lord could potentially force their way in to the AB squad.

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        @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:

        @Crucial Yes very good point about injuries. If injuries strike the locks (or they decide to take 4 locks) someone like Josh Lord could potentially force their way in to the AB squad.

        Current plans would be three locks plus Scooter wouldn’t it? Injury to him would cause a lot of rethinking.

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          A few new names to keep an eye out for in the Aussie squads.

          Mosese Tuipulotu - Waratahs - Midfielder. Brother of Scotland's Sione Tuipulotu - a big bustling midfielder who impressed during preseason.

          Max Jorgensen - Waratahs - Fullback/wing. Just a teenager but very highly rated. With Beale no longer featuring is more likely to get game time.

          Tom Lynagh - Reds - First five. Son of Michael Lynagh. Just a youngster at 19. His older brother Louis Lynagh got picked by Eddie in an England wider squad but is yet to be capped.

          Corey Toole / Ben O'Donnell - Brumbies - outside backs. Both from the Aussie 7s team who won the World Series last season. Toole is smaller but the more dynamic of the two.

          Some names familiar to NZ who are new to squads this year (I'm sured i've missed a few): Monty Ioane (Rebels), Taleni Seu (Tahs), Jack Debreczeni (Brumbies), Tamaiti Tua (Brumbies)

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            A few new names to keep an eye out for in the Aussie squads.

            Mosese Tuipulotu - Waratahs - Midfielder. Brother of Scotland's Sione Tuipulotu - a big bustling midfielder who impressed during preseason.

            Max Jorgensen - Waratahs - Fullback/wing. Just a teenager but very highly rated. With Beale no longer featuring is more likely to get game time.

            Tom Lynagh - Reds - First five. Son of Michael Lynagh. Just a youngster at 19. His older brother Louis Lynagh got picked by Eddie in an England wider squad but is yet to be capped.

            Corey Toole / Ben O'Donnell - Brumbies - outside backs. Both from the Aussie 7s team who won the World Series last season. Toole is smaller but the more dynamic of the two.

            Some names familiar to NZ who are new to squads this year (I'm sured i've missed a few): Monty Ioane (Rebels), Taleni Seu (Tahs), Jack Debreczeni (Brumbies), Tamaiti Tua (Brumbies)

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            @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:

            A few new names to keep an eye out for in the Aussie squads.

            Mosese Tuipulotu - Waratahs - Midfielder. Brother of Scotland's Sione Tuipulotu - a big bustling midfielder who impressed during preseason.

            Max Jorgensen - Waratahs - Fullback/wing. Just a teenager but very highly rated. With Beale no longer featuring is more likely to get game time.

            Tom Lynagh - Reds - First five. Son of Michael Lynagh. Just a youngster at 19. His older brother Louis Lynagh got picked by Eddie in an England wider squad but is yet to be capped.

            Corey Toole / Ben O'Donnell - Brumbies - outside backs. Both from the Aussie 7s team who won the World Series last season. Toole is smaller but the more dynamic of the two.

            Some names familiar to NZ who are new to squads this year (I'm sured i've missed a few): Monty Ioane (Rebels), Taleni Seu (Tahs), Jack Debreczeni (Brumbies), Tamaiti Tua (Brumbies)

            • Chase Tiatia & Felix Kalapu; also Manasa Mataele's younger brother Rupeni, who've I've never seen playing, but if he's anything like Manasa, he'll be an exciting player to watch (all Western Force)

            • Vaiolini Ekuasi (Rebels) and Nemani Nadolo (Waratahs)

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              A few new names to keep an eye out for in the Aussie squads.

              Mosese Tuipulotu - Waratahs - Midfielder. Brother of Scotland's Sione Tuipulotu - a big bustling midfielder who impressed during preseason.

              Max Jorgensen - Waratahs - Fullback/wing. Just a teenager but very highly rated. With Beale no longer featuring is more likely to get game time.

              Tom Lynagh - Reds - First five. Son of Michael Lynagh. Just a youngster at 19. His older brother Louis Lynagh got picked by Eddie in an England wider squad but is yet to be capped.

              Corey Toole / Ben O'Donnell - Brumbies - outside backs. Both from the Aussie 7s team who won the World Series last season. Toole is smaller but the more dynamic of the two.

              Some names familiar to NZ who are new to squads this year (I'm sured i've missed a few): Monty Ioane (Rebels), Taleni Seu (Tahs), Jack Debreczeni (Brumbies), Tamaiti Tua (Brumbies)

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              @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:

              Max Jorgensen - Waratahs - Fullback/wing. Just a teenager but very highly rated. With Beale no longer featuring is more likely to get game time.

              Son of PeterJorgensen former Wallabies wing who switched to State House rugby.

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                The Stuff journos were picking young players (<21 yr old) so could also have chosen other players in the same age range.

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                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                  @Crucial Yes very good point about injuries. If injuries strike the locks (or they decide to take 4 locks) someone like Josh Lord could potentially force their way in to the AB squad.

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                  @KiwiMurph have to think Lord has inside running given he has been part of thier plans and they don't often drop people due to an injury.

                  Hopefully another lock emerges and pushes everyone on, similarly loosies, the likes of Grace, MMT, Robinson, Flanders, Christie, PGS, Lakai (plus a few other names i expect) will all be pushing the encumbants, as will Blackadder who no doubt has an inside running to overtake one of Ioane or Frizzell...def some options out there, but injury could give someone a shot, and make them a legend in a RWC year, NMS styles... 😉

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                    These coaches love Frizell. He usually looks good in Super too so I can’t see him being dropped.

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                      ESPN has published a series of team previews for the 2023 season:

                      https://www.espn.com.au/rugby/story/_/id/35656265/super-rugby-pacific-2023-previewing-blues-brumbies-chiefs-crusaders

                      https://www.espn.com.au/rugby/story/_/id/35697581/super-rugby-pacific-preview-drua-force-highlanders-hurricanes

                      https://www.espn.com.au/rugby/story/_/id/35699062/super-rugby-pacific-preview-melbourne-rebels-moana-pasifika-nsw-waratahs-queensland-reds

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                        To cut to the chase in those articles..

                        FINAL PREDICTIONS
                        Crusaders
                        Chiefs
                        Blues
                        Waratahs
                        Brumbies
                        Hurricanes
                        Reds
                        Force
                        Highlanders
                        Drua
                        Moana Pasifika
                        Melbourne Rebels

                        Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          To cut to the chase in those articles..

                          FINAL PREDICTIONS
                          Crusaders
                          Chiefs
                          Blues
                          Waratahs
                          Brumbies
                          Hurricanes
                          Reds
                          Force
                          Highlanders
                          Drua
                          Moana Pasifika
                          Melbourne Rebels

                          Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

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                          @Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:

                          eat to offer hope

                          This is a charity I can get behind. Where do I sign up?

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                            Drua too low

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                            • CrucialC Crucial

                              To cut to the chase in those articles..

                              FINAL PREDICTIONS
                              Crusaders
                              Chiefs
                              Blues
                              Waratahs
                              Brumbies
                              Hurricanes
                              Reds
                              Force
                              Highlanders
                              Drua
                              Moana Pasifika
                              Melbourne Rebels

                              Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

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                              #464

                              @Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:

                              To cut to the chase in those articles..

                              FINAL PREDICTIONS
                              Crusaders
                              Chiefs
                              Blues
                              Waratahs
                              Brumbies
                              Hurricanes
                              Reds
                              Force
                              Highlanders
                              Drua
                              Moana Pasifika
                              Melbourne Rebels

                              Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

                              Canes below Waratahs, yeah right. I also saw a prediction ladder with the Canes fourth and the Blues first, so who really knows. I feel injuries, along with the load management of players is going to play a big part in how teams end up. Depth is key.

                              These TAB odds are about right apart from the Drua being that high, plus I would swap Reds and Tahs.

                              374bb02c-1070-4e0d-bdda-8af6df17bddb-image.png

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                              • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                @Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:

                                To cut to the chase in those articles..

                                FINAL PREDICTIONS
                                Crusaders
                                Chiefs
                                Blues
                                Waratahs
                                Brumbies
                                Hurricanes
                                Reds
                                Force
                                Highlanders
                                Drua
                                Moana Pasifika
                                Melbourne Rebels

                                Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

                                Canes below Waratahs, yeah right. I also saw a prediction ladder with the Canes fourth and the Blues first, so who really knows. I feel injuries, along with the load management of players is going to play a big part in how teams end up. Depth is key.

                                These TAB odds are about right apart from the Drua being that high, plus I would swap Reds and Tahs.

                                374bb02c-1070-4e0d-bdda-8af6df17bddb-image.png

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                                @Canes4life Yep I with you , I reckon Waratahs will be top Aus team this year, may duke it out with Brumbies for that crown, but think they may beat them.

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                                  I don't know if Brumbies 2023 will necessarily be as good as the 2022 version. Coaching change, a few personnel losses.....
                                  Could be better, who knows. Just wouldn't take last year as the indication.
                                  Likewise Tahs.

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                                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                    Drua too low

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                                    @KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:

                                    Drua too low

                                    I agree. Just had a closer look and they have 6 home games this year. No one gets off easy playing in Fiji and three of those games are quite winnable for them (Rebels, MP, Reds)

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                                    • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                      @Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:

                                      To cut to the chase in those articles..

                                      FINAL PREDICTIONS
                                      Crusaders
                                      Chiefs
                                      Blues
                                      Waratahs
                                      Brumbies
                                      Hurricanes
                                      Reds
                                      Force
                                      Highlanders
                                      Drua
                                      Moana Pasifika
                                      Melbourne Rebels

                                      Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

                                      Canes below Waratahs, yeah right. I also saw a prediction ladder with the Canes fourth and the Blues first, so who really knows. I feel injuries, along with the load management of players is going to play a big part in how teams end up. Depth is key.

                                      These TAB odds are about right apart from the Drua being that high, plus I would swap Reds and Tahs.

                                      374bb02c-1070-4e0d-bdda-8af6df17bddb-image.png

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                                      @Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2023:

                                      @Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:

                                      To cut to the chase in those articles..

                                      FINAL PREDICTIONS
                                      Crusaders
                                      Chiefs
                                      Blues
                                      Waratahs
                                      Brumbies
                                      Hurricanes
                                      Reds
                                      Force
                                      Highlanders
                                      Drua
                                      Moana Pasifika
                                      Melbourne Rebels

                                      Not so convinced on that order. Force are way too high and I am guessing Canes are mid pack because they eat to offer hope to Tahs and Brumbies.

                                      Canes below Waratahs, yeah right. I also saw a prediction ladder with the Canes fourth and the Blues first, so who really knows. I feel injuries, along with the load management of players is going to play a big part in how teams end up. Depth is key.

                                      These TAB odds are about right apart from the Drua being that high, plus I would swap Reds and Tahs.

                                      374bb02c-1070-4e0d-bdda-8af6df17bddb-image.png

                                      Interesting looking at the odds of the Brumbies. I know Bernie wants them to play a more entertaining game to help bring back the crowds. They're also spending more time in community engagement to help drive interest, including actually sending out name players to schools etc. rather than extended squad players no one has heard of.

                                      The problem is the perennial one in Australian sport - you need to be winning.

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                                        After a few months of neglect the TSF website is regularly updated again. So just a reminder that all the team sheets are available here

                                        https://thesilverfern.com/teamsheets/

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                                        • DuluthD Duluth

                                          After a few months of neglect the TSF website is regularly updated again. So just a reminder that all the team sheets are available here

                                          https://thesilverfern.com/teamsheets/

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                                          @Duluth I'm happy to add the Aupiki teams. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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