Foster, Robertson etc
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Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
@Old-Samurai-Jack although if we get back to #1 ranking, we can expect to win them all, surely
@Stargazer yeah he just said him, Ryan, Schmidt and Stormy are getting together tomorrow to start planning for attack, defence etc....
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me. -
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
That’s an amazing statement. The only reason they’re ranked higher than the ABs is that we don’t beat them! It’s a self fulfilling argument.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
@nostrildamus isnt he signed on for super next year?
What NZR need to be doing is put the feelers out to possible coaches now to come on board post 2023 RWC, rather than wait until after the RWC and all the other nations have sorted thier shit out and snaffled our good coaches
With a release clause and was it not last month he said he was open to overseas offers?
I'm not sure how this particular decision will put off Razor - I would think he would much rather take over after a RWC than now.
@KiwiMurph yeah I would imagine that would be the better option for him personally
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@nostrildamus Foster asked Schmidt initially but he (Joe) wanted to step away from coaching then.
@nostrildamus Foster asked Schmidt initially but he (Joe) wanted to step away from coaching then.
Yep NZR had approached Schmidt as soon as finished with Ireland and as you say he wanted a break. Hansen talked about it in his book.
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Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs, NZ public only angry because of the series loss to Ireland....etc, etc. They are all saying "learnings" and "tweaks" for good sakes:angry_face:
Totally agree
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
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Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Deep sigh. The NZR should have a high performance coach exporting position because that seems to be their main achievement. Seems these days to be a head coach one should do as little coaching as possible.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
That’s an amazing statement. The only reason they’re ranked higher than the ABs is that we don’t beat them! It’s a self fulfilling argument.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
That’s an amazing statement. The only reason they’re ranked higher than the ABs is that we don’t beat them! It’s a self fulfilling argument.
That's the genius of it. "Of course we lost, they're now ranked higher".
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Good point !!!
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.In hindsight, it does reveal how Steve Hansen must've been an extremely strong head coach in his own right to excel - even with some pretty mediocre assistants in Foster and McLeod as his only support staff between 2017-2019.
Foster now has Joe Schmidt, Jason Ryan, Andrew Strawbridge, Greg Feek, David Hill, plus Scott McLeod..
How many babysitters does one coach need?
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so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT? The time to move was straight after the Irish series, but didnt, now, they need to give him what he needs.
Still unsure how Teflon McLeod has stayed through all this, more so while other coaches under Fozzie were dragged through this too, McLeod was barely mentioned.
NZR really seem clueless.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT?
“It’s disappointing we didn’t play our best footy, and couldn’t replicate what we did at Ellis Park”
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
If Razor decides to go to England would be same as players going overseas, that is up to him. You don't give players a position in ABs to keep them in NZ or take on coaches (however much some of us want him) to keep him from going overseas.
Why has player power won, surely they have always been a huge part of any review,but not the only part? -
@Tim He never misses!
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Summary from Stuff:
NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson said he still hoped Scott Robertson had a long future in the game in New Zealand.
He aid Robertson was "valued'' but turned the conversation back towards the decision to retain Foster.
"We have a huge regard for Razor as a key part of the coaching landscape in this country and and we hope he has a great future in the game here.
"But today's not really about Razor. Today's about Ian and his team into this new era."
Foster said he has no plans to change the All Blacks management staff. Business as usual, in other words.
Robertson has already made it clear he wants to coach a country at the 2027 World Cup. He could have a crack at the All Blacks job after the World Cup next year, or look to head offshore.
Robinson admitted NZ Rugby could have done some things better in recent weeks, but said it was time to move on and look ahead. -
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT?
We’ll take the learnings of course.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
I bet you wouldn't say that to his face you coward hiding behind a keyboard.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
If Razor decides to go to England would be same as players going overseas, that is up to him. You don't give players a position in ABs to keep them in NZ or take on coaches (however much some of us want him) to keep him from going overseas.
Why has player power won, surely they have always been a huge part of any review,but not the only part?@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
If Razor decides to go to England would be same as players going overseas, that is up to him. You don't give players a position in ABs to keep them in NZ or take on coaches (however much some of us want him) to keep him from going overseas.
Why has player power won, surely they have always been a huge part of any review,but not the only part?The players weren't talked to before this review, sorry conversation. So so the posts on player power are a bit out of whack
