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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    @gt12 said in Foster must go:

    @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

    @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

    Jesus fucking Christ.

    the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

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    @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

    @gt12 said in Foster must go:

    @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

    @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

    Jesus fucking Christ.

    the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

    Some bright individual will come up with a definition of madness to suit.

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      @gt12 said in Foster must go:

      @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

      @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

      Jesus fucking Christ.

      the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

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      @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

      @gt12 said in Foster must go:

      @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

      @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

      Jesus fucking Christ.

      the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

      I have heard a comment that the current coaches think that props generally need to be at least 28 years old to be developed enough for test rugby ...

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      • TimT Tim

        @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

        @gt12 said in Foster must go:

        @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

        @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

        Jesus fucking Christ.

        the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

        I have heard a comment that the current coaches think that props generally need to be at least 28 years old to be developed enough for test rugby ...

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        @Tim said in Foster must go:

        @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

        @gt12 said in Foster must go:

        @mariner4life said in Foster must go:

        @gt12 if Moody was fit he wouldn't even be playing

        Jesus fucking Christ.

        the plan seems to be to play the exact same forward pack in two consecutive world cups

        I have heard a comment that the current coaches think that props generally need to be at least 28 years old to be developed enough for test rugby ...

        https://c.tenor.com/3z-fNnWkiy4AAAAM/80s-1980s.gif

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          Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

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          • antipodeanA antipodean

            Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

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            @antipodean said in Foster must go:

            Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

            No, that's bollocks. Who would take over for a start, and the buck stops at the top. He just hasn't owned up to his incompetence at all

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            • gt12G gt12

              Although Bower has been excellent, I think the way that he is going well - essentially based on repeated efforts - shows that we should be using the younger players. For all we know, another one of the younger props with a big motor could be even better. When he is getting compared to old slow set-piecers like Laulala and Karl, it's not a surprise that he is a bright spot.

              I'm not trying to run him down, just arguing that if they made better selections, we'd know if he was the best next LH around or is just better than the old slow ones we currently have.

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              @gt12 said in Foster must go:

              Although Bower has been excellent, I think the way that he is going well - essentially based on repeated efforts - shows that we should be using the younger players.

              Bower isn't young either, he's 30.

              I wouldn't be looking so much at the players age or experience (or lack of it), but more their performance. Just like the introduction of ST, finding new props with the hunger is a good start.

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              • M Machpants

                @antipodean said in Foster must go:

                Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

                No, that's bollocks. Who would take over for a start, and the buck stops at the top. He just hasn't owned up to his incompetence at all

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                @Machpants he picked his team, therefore he goes with them.

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                • antipodeanA antipodean

                  Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

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                  @antipodean said in Foster must go:

                  Would people be amenable to Foster remaining if his assistants were given the arse?

                  I’m not amenable to it but I think it will be the result.

                  Can they attract a world class defense and attack coach though? Schmidt can likely do one of those roles. Plus?

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                    Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                    • CrucialC Crucial

                      Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                      @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                      Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                      had the same thought this morning

                      any change has to be now, or we wait until October.

                      If they decide to wait until October i can see him staying the other 12 months unless we lose absolutely everything.

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                        https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/weekend-sport-with-jason-pine/audio/james-mconie-on-whats-going-wrong-with-the-all-blacks/

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                        • CrucialC Crucial

                          Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                          @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                          Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                          Normally those things are announced at the morning press conference on the day following the test, you know the one foster wimped out of

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                            https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/weekend-sport-with-jason-pine/audio/james-mconie-on-whats-going-wrong-with-the-all-blacks/

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                            @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

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                              @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

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                              @Old-Samurai-Jack There's also whispers that Plumtree is not rated by the players.

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                                Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                                had the same thought this morning

                                any change has to be now, or we wait until October.

                                If they decide to wait until October i can see him staying the other 12 months unless we lose absolutely everything.

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                                @mariner4life yeah I mentioned that in one of my hundred posts yesterday...if they move, it needs to be now to give the new coach a chance to select thier TRC squad.

                                Post TRC will just damage things further.

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                                  @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

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                                  @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

                                  @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

                                  Quick summary? I can’t usually handle that guy’s voice.

                                  I assume unhappy players?

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                                  • gt12G gt12

                                    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

                                    @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

                                    Quick summary? I can’t usually handle that guy’s voice.

                                    I assume unhappy players?

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                                    @gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

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                                    • gt12G gt12

                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

                                      @Tim Interesting part about the players' perspectives. Not a happy camp.

                                      Quick summary? I can’t usually handle that guy’s voice.

                                      I assume unhappy players?

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                                      @gt12 Players getting work-ons that they succeed in developing, but those are then discarded when they return to camp - no clear plan/direction.

                                      Also a good point that the coaches, who condescend to media with the "you don't know what we know" line, may be the ones who don't know what they're talking about - Aki and Lowe as cases in point.

                                      My comment: Lowe being publicly described as lacking the skills for international rugby, while Bridge was viewed as a key player, shows how inept they were. Post-2015 Hansen really was an arrogant buffoon.

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

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                                        @Crucial said in Foster must go:

                                        Just a question. That initial squad was for the Ireland series only wasn't it? When does the new squad get announced considering that they are meant to fly out soon?

                                        I can't see NZR making a change before SA, which by extension may mean the TRC. Foster's career may hinge on those results.

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                                        • O Old Samurai Jack

                                          @gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

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                                          @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

                                          @gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

                                          If that is true, and it does appear to match with the lost play of the team, its time for them all to go.

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