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    https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/18/how-bellamy-could-help-solve-the-all-blacks-defensive-woes/

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      https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/17/have-the-all-blacks-sailed-up-schmidts-creek/

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        I'm sick of the condescending BS from Foster and NZR.

        If they don't pull their collective heads out of their collective arses this week, then come 6pm August 14, I suspect they will be looking at the single worst season of all Blacks rugby and will be needing to start getting the Bledisloe ready to be taken back...

        I just feel NZR will bandaid fix this and will lurch further towards mediocrity

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        • TimT Tim

          @gt12 Players getting work-ons that they succeed in developing, but those are then discarded when they return to camp - no clear plan/direction.

          Also a good point that the coaches, who condescend to media with the "you don't know what we know" line, may be the ones who don't know what they're talking about - Aki and Lowe as cases in point.

          My comment: Lowe being publicly described as lacking the skills for international rugby, while Bridge was viewed as a key player, shows how inept they were. Post-2015 Hansen really was an arrogant buffoon.

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          @Tim said in Foster must go:

          Post-2015 Hansen really was an arrogant buffoon.

          Oh fuck yes.
          And various foreign posters pointed it out (well at least the arrogant part)

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          • CrucialC Crucial

            @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go:

            @gt12 Players are told to go away and work on things only to get back into camp and things have changed. Everything vague.

            That was the biggest take out from his comments. Say what you like about his style but McOnie does make friends among the players so gets some insights that we aren't party to.
            Maybe it's time for Cane to show some real captaincy of the ABs (as opposed to the team) and have a quiet chat with NZR. If what McOnie says is true then the clear message is that Foster and his assistants have lost the changing room and although no one likes a dobber, it is time that the big bosses knew that.

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            #425

            @Crucial are the players able to truly be honest in these feedbacks, or are the questions not designed to get to the heart of the problem?

            I know this is NPC, but I hear the same sorts of stuff coming out of Northland and people I know in and around players, with players unhappy with similar stuff to the ABs', thier messaging, tactics etc, yet come end of year reviews, they get renewed.

            Seems a disconnect there??

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            • TimT Tim

              https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/18/how-bellamy-could-help-solve-the-all-blacks-defensive-woes/

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              @Tim said in Foster must go:

              https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/18/how-bellamy-could-help-solve-the-all-blacks-defensive-woes/

              Haven't read the article, but before I saw this post it did cross my mind about looking to league for some answers. And Bellamy crossed my mind, especially given Razor and him seem to have developed a bit of a connection.

              One can only dream, but Farrell has shown crossing between League and Union can be done successfully.

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              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                @Tim said in Foster must go:

                https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/18/how-bellamy-could-help-solve-the-all-blacks-defensive-woes/

                Haven't read the article, but before I saw this post it did cross my mind about looking to league for some answers. And Bellamy crossed my mind, especially given Razor and him seem to have developed a bit of a connection.

                One can only dream, but Farrell has shown crossing between League and Union can be done successfully.

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                @Crazy-Horse According to Dagg he has worked with the ABs before too.

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  @Crucial are the players able to truly be honest in these feedbacks, or are the questions not designed to get to the heart of the problem?

                  I know this is NPC, but I hear the same sorts of stuff coming out of Northland and people I know in and around players, with players unhappy with similar stuff to the ABs', thier messaging, tactics etc, yet come end of year reviews, they get renewed.

                  Seems a disconnect there??

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                  @taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

                  @Crucial are the players able to truly be honest in these feedbacks, or are the questions not designed to get to the heart of the problem?

                  As much as NZR get stick about these things they sometime do run reviews with honest feedback. The recent one on the women's game and BlackFerns a case in point.

                  Even if they do the old 360degree feedback things, those rely on a culture of speaking openly.

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                    https://twitter.com/ByPhillipRollo/status/1548835214008299520

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                      @Snowy said in Foster must go:

                      @MN5 said in Foster must go:

                      @BartMan said in Foster must go:

                      @MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.

                      The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.

                      Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?

                      I have just made room for Foster in the basement.

                      Welcome back mate

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                      @canefan said in Foster must go:

                      @Snowy said in Foster must go:

                      @MN5 said in Foster must go:

                      @BartMan said in Foster must go:

                      @MN5 that was the only good thing to.cpmw.out of the test.

                      The fact this result brings @BartMan out if hibernation says it all.

                      Who next, @Red-Beard ? Any others ?

                      I have just made room for Foster in the basement.

                      Welcome back mate

                      @BartMan
                      @Luigi
                      @Snowy

                      ...

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                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/300639785/ian-foster-must-go-as-part-of-an-all-blacks-rebuild

                        Ian Foster must go as part of an All Blacks rebuild
                        Marc Hinton
                        13:00, Jul 18 2022
                        
                        OPINION: Ian Foster is surely a goner. Among the laundry list of issues the board of New Zealand Rugby has to work through over the next few days around the All Blacks, that decision should take the least of their time.
                        
                        The board, we now know unequivocally, got it patently wrong when they extended Foster’s contract as All Blacks head coach through to the 2023 World Cup last year based on back-to-back home victories over a weak Wallabies side. Now these guardians of the game in this country must put their hands up and concede (as I noted at the time) that the decision was premature, and horrendously erroneous.
                        
                        Any other course of action could lead to the provinces wondering whether they have the right people running the game in this country.
                        
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                          if this was the NRL or the AFL you would not be able to hear yourself for the media drums beating and beating hard for blood.

                          NZ rugby coaches are the most protected species in world sport.

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                            if this was the NRL or the AFL you would not be able to hear yourself for the media drums beating and beating hard for blood.

                            NZ rugby coaches are the most protected species in world sport.

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                            @mariner4life and Hansen came out last week and called the NZ media bullies for their treatment of Foster.

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                              I'm trying to decide whether the relative silence out of the NZRU at the moment is just normal, or whether something may actually be brewing as a result...

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                @mariner4life and Hansen came out last week and called the NZ media bullies for their treatment of Foster.

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                                @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

                                @mariner4life and Hansen came out last week and called the NZ media bullies for their treatment of Foster.

                                lol what? kid gloves. jesus old Steve should have a bit of a chat with someone like Michael Maguire or Anthony Seibold or any number of Carlton coaches.

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                                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                  @mariner4life and Hansen came out last week and called the NZ media bullies for their treatment of Foster.

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                                  @KiwiMurph That was on talk radio? Anyone got a clip?

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                                  • TimT Tim

                                    @KiwiMurph That was on talk radio? Anyone got a clip?

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                                    @Tim

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                                      @Tim

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                                      @KiwiMurph Classic case of post hoc ergo prompter hoc. Ireland are only ranked number one in the world because they beat New Zealand in New Zealand. It's not like they came down here ranked number one.

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                                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                        @mariner4life and Hansen came out last week and called the NZ media bullies for their treatment of Foster.

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                                        @KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:

                                        @mariner4life and Hansen came out last week and called the NZ media bullies for their treatment of Foster.

                                        And maybe he might also like to berate the NZRFU for being bullies and inflicting the sort of drivel that they have shoved at us under the guise of the All Blacks these last 12 months or so.

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                                          i got the shits inside a fucking minute with the strawmen arguments

                                          We did not underestimate the Irish. How could we?
                                          What we did was overestimate the All Blacks

                                          And it wasn't one loss Martin, it was a few thanks mate.

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