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  • SouthernMannS SouthernMann

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    SENZ radio said the PR team at NZR refused to let media live stream the press conference. This is just really dumb media relations. The organisation is looking completely incompetent.

    I don’t know all the ins and outs of SENZ and NZRU, but do they always live stream every team announcement?

    If not, then it’s hard to see that this isn’t just more games to add to the narrative building.

    All media was barred from live streaming it. From a PR perspective it is just a dumb decision.

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    @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    SENZ radio said the PR team at NZR refused to let media live stream the press conference. This is just really dumb media relations. The organisation is looking completely incompetent.

    I don’t know all the ins and outs of SENZ and NZRU, but do they always live stream every team announcement?

    If not, then it’s hard to see that this isn’t just more games to add to the narrative building.

    All media was barred from live streaming it. From a PR perspective it is just a dumb decision.

    So they took the Friday afternoon presser to the next level!

    Sheesh what bright spark thought that was a good idea. No point now trying to control the message and being worried how outlets cut and dice it, you are 5 lengths back in the home straight.

    My advice is that you could’ve come out of this slightly better with some in the public saying “he fronted” and there could’ve been a sympathy element if he looked awkward and under the pump for all to see.

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    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

      @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      SENZ radio said the PR team at NZR refused to let media live stream the press conference. This is just really dumb media relations. The organisation is looking completely incompetent.

      I don’t know all the ins and outs of SENZ and NZRU, but do they always live stream every team announcement?

      If not, then it’s hard to see that this isn’t just more games to add to the narrative building.

      All media was barred from live streaming it. From a PR perspective it is just a dumb decision.

      So they took the Friday afternoon presser to the next level!

      Sheesh what bright spark thought that was a good idea. No point now trying to control the message and being worried how outlets cut and dice it, you are 5 lengths back in the home straight.

      My advice is that you could’ve come out of this slightly better with some in the public saying “he fronted” and there could’ve been a sympathy element if he looked awkward and under the pump for all to see.

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      Donsteppa
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      #681

      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      SENZ radio said the PR team at NZR refused to let media live stream the press conference. This is just really dumb media relations. The organisation is looking completely incompetent.

      I don’t know all the ins and outs of SENZ and NZRU, but do they always live stream every team announcement?

      If not, then it’s hard to see that this isn’t just more games to add to the narrative building.

      All media was barred from live streaming it. From a PR perspective it is just a dumb decision.

      So they took the Friday afternoon presser to the next level!

      Sheesh what bright spark thought that was a good idea. No point now trying to control the message and being worried how outlets cut and dice it, you are 5 lengths back in the home straight.

      My advice is that you could’ve come out of this slightly better with some in the public saying “he fronted” and there could’ve been a sympathy element if he looked awkward and under the pump for all to see.

      I'd meant to reply to your post earlier saying that the only way the Friday press conference ploy could have been better was if they'd found a way to make it before a long weekend.

      But full credit to them, they still found an unexpected way to raise the Friday arvo stakes...

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        Yeetyaah
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        Fuck sake give us Grace, Robinson or MMT over Frizell.

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          Tim
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          If they're not going to play Sotutu until Argentina at the earliest, it might be good to get him some kind of game time.

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            Frank
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            Foster seems highly skilled at keeping boards happy relative to his actual performance. Good corporate greaseball who is ruining the All Blacks.
            Frizzell - for fuck's sake!!!!!!!!!!!

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            • M Machpants

              @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

              Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

              Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

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              @Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

              Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

              Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

              I reckon we will do better than that. Backs against the wall and all that.

              According to me we win at least one in SA and both vs the Argies. I'll say share the Bled, games, but actually Rennie worries me.

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              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                @Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

                Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

                Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

                I reckon we will do better than that. Backs against the wall and all that.

                According to me we win at least one in SA and both vs the Argies. I'll say share the Bled, games, but actually Rennie worries me.

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                @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                Backs against the wall and all that.

                Heard that one many times before with this mob!

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                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                  @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  SENZ radio said the PR team at NZR refused to let media live stream the press conference. This is just really dumb media relations. The organisation is looking completely incompetent.

                  I don’t know all the ins and outs of SENZ and NZRU, but do they always live stream every team announcement?

                  If not, then it’s hard to see that this isn’t just more games to add to the narrative building.

                  All media was barred from live streaming it. From a PR perspective it is just a dumb decision.

                  So they took the Friday afternoon presser to the next level!

                  Sheesh what bright spark thought that was a good idea. No point now trying to control the message and being worried how outlets cut and dice it, you are 5 lengths back in the home straight.

                  My advice is that you could’ve come out of this slightly better with some in the public saying “he fronted” and there could’ve been a sympathy element if he looked awkward and under the pump for all to see.

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                  SouthernMann
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                  #687

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  @SouthernMann said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                  SENZ radio said the PR team at NZR refused to let media live stream the press conference. This is just really dumb media relations. The organisation is looking completely incompetent.

                  I don’t know all the ins and outs of SENZ and NZRU, but do they always live stream every team announcement?

                  If not, then it’s hard to see that this isn’t just more games to add to the narrative building.

                  All media was barred from live streaming it. From a PR perspective it is just a dumb decision.

                  So they took the Friday afternoon presser to the next level!

                  Sheesh what bright spark thought that was a good idea. No point now trying to control the message and being worried how outlets cut and dice it, you are 5 lengths back in the home straight.

                  My advice is that you could’ve come out of this slightly better with some in the public saying “he fronted” and there could’ve been a sympathy element if he looked awkward and under the pump for all to see.

                  It is a strange mix of ignorance and arrogance. I'm of a position you treat set up every media conference to be live streamed until the all attending outlets confirm they won't do it. Also, once it is live streamed, everything is stated and can't be disputed. It is the huge benefit of livestreaming.

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                  • TimT Tim

                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    Backs against the wall and all that.

                    Heard that one many times before with this mob!

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                    Chris B.
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                    #688

                    @Tim Yeah - and actually, I forgot the key clause while I was distracted by Rennie.

                    We don't win RWC 2023, though.

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                    • TimT Tim

                      If they're not going to play Sotutu until Argentina at the earliest, it might be good to get him some kind of game time.

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                      @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      If they're not going to play Sotutu until Argentina at the earliest, it might be good to get him some kind of game time.

                      I'll see if he makes an appearance for CM tomorrow.

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                      • M Machpants

                        Statement from NZ Rugby boss Mark Robinson following the squad announcement:

                        "The past fortnight has been a challenging time for us and of course our fans.

                        “There have been some thorough conversations this week, as there always are around our performance environments, and these will continue.

                        “It’s exciting to be heading back to South Africa for the first time in several years - we have two big games ahead of us there and our focus now is to support the team to improve performance and be successful.””

                        I fucking knew it!

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                        Tim
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                        @Machpants LOL

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                        • M Machpants

                          @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

                          Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

                          Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

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                          Frye
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                          @Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

                          Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

                          Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

                          Foster keeps lowering the bar. A loss at Eden Park is absolutely on the cards.

                          Bank on it.

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                            KiwiMurph
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                            Liam Napier talked about the 5 first games this year being a benchmark.

                            So if they get pumped in Africa as expected then changes?

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                              Chris B.
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                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                              Bower will deservedly stay
                              ST can come in to hooker
                              Both our tightheads are shit
                              Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                              Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                              That's it. That's what can be done.

                              That's a realistic assessment.

                              For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                              Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                              Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                              The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                              There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

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                              • CrucialC Crucial

                                @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                Wasn't Crucial talking some bollocks about humanitarian reasons for delaying the squad?

                                I said it was a possible reason. I had some facts about a certain player that I wont divulge that added to a very plausible reason.

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                                KiwiMurph
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                                @Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                Wasn't Crucial talking some bollocks about humanitarian reasons for delaying the squad?

                                I said it was a possible reason. I had some facts about a certain player that I wont divulge that added to a very plausible reason.

                                Was the same source that said Ardie was captain?

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                                  Would be great if NZR management could explain this decision...

                                  https://twitter.com/SamSachdevaNZ/status/1550321377202253824?s=20&t=DGr3TaXgxktKYwa6lDS4HA

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                                    You can ask me a hundred times what that is and I won't be able to give you an answer just yet. I'd like you to bear with me, but we've got things in place right now and as soon as I can let you know a couple changes I'll let you know as soon as possible.

                                    @Chris-B sounds like dry powder is back. I was getting a bit worried after we last saw a couple of scoops of it in the RWC19 quarter-final, but left drums of it in the hotel lobby before the semi-final.

                                    Take a punt on de Groot against the Boks.

                                    Play Scott Barrett for 80 and rotate the other locks.

                                    Jordan at fullback.

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                                    • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                      Bower will deservedly stay
                                      ST can come in to hooker
                                      Both our tightheads are shit
                                      Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                      Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                      That's it. That's what can be done.

                                      That's a realistic assessment.

                                      For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                                      Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                                      Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                                      The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                                      There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

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                                      @Chris-B SA against the Boks not really a place for young inexperienced tight forwards to be fair. I think Razor was even protecting the young guns in SR as well. And kind of glad in a way Grace and co. not there either. If the structures and game plan were there to seamlessly fit in but.........

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                                        https://twitter.com/Sportsfreakconz/status/1550305266847330306

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                                        • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                          Bower will deservedly stay
                                          ST can come in to hooker
                                          Both our tightheads are shit
                                          Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                          Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                          That's it. That's what can be done.

                                          That's a realistic assessment.

                                          For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                                          Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                                          Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                                          The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                                          There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

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                                          ploughboy
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                                          #699

                                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                          Bower will deservedly stay
                                          ST can come in to hooker
                                          Both our tightheads are shit
                                          Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                          Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                          That's it. That's what can be done.

                                          That's a realistic assessment.

                                          For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                                          Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                                          Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                                          The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                                          There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

                                          i thought they may have bought newell in as well . williams is wonder if he has fitness required after watching him playing for the Maori

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