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  • M Machpants

    @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

    Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

    Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @Frye said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    SA paying $2.75 to win the RC. Get on it.

    Not sure about that but I will be backing the Wobs to win the Bledisloe if Cooper is fit again.

    Only 2 bled games this year, one at Eden park, Oz need to win both. Even foster follies will probably retain the bled. My prediction, 2 losses Vs SA, shared games Vs Oz and Arg. World ranking 7th by the end

    Foster keeps lowering the bar. A loss at Eden Park is absolutely on the cards.

    Bank on it.

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      KiwiMurph
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      Liam Napier talked about the 5 first games this year being a benchmark.

      So if they get pumped in Africa as expected then changes?

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        @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

        realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

        Bower will deservedly stay
        ST can come in to hooker
        Both our tightheads are shit
        Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
        Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

        That's it. That's what can be done.

        That's a realistic assessment.

        For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

        Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

        Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

        The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

        There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

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        • CrucialC Crucial

          @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          Wasn't Crucial talking some bollocks about humanitarian reasons for delaying the squad?

          I said it was a possible reason. I had some facts about a certain player that I wont divulge that added to a very plausible reason.

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          @Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @Tim said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          Wasn't Crucial talking some bollocks about humanitarian reasons for delaying the squad?

          I said it was a possible reason. I had some facts about a certain player that I wont divulge that added to a very plausible reason.

          Was the same source that said Ardie was captain?

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            Would be great if NZR management could explain this decision...

            https://twitter.com/SamSachdevaNZ/status/1550321377202253824?s=20&t=DGr3TaXgxktKYwa6lDS4HA

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              You can ask me a hundred times what that is and I won't be able to give you an answer just yet. I'd like you to bear with me, but we've got things in place right now and as soon as I can let you know a couple changes I'll let you know as soon as possible.

              @Chris-B sounds like dry powder is back. I was getting a bit worried after we last saw a couple of scoops of it in the RWC19 quarter-final, but left drums of it in the hotel lobby before the semi-final.

              Take a punt on de Groot against the Boks.

              Play Scott Barrett for 80 and rotate the other locks.

              Jordan at fullback.

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              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                Bower will deservedly stay
                ST can come in to hooker
                Both our tightheads are shit
                Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                That's it. That's what can be done.

                That's a realistic assessment.

                For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

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                @Chris-B SA against the Boks not really a place for young inexperienced tight forwards to be fair. I think Razor was even protecting the young guns in SR as well. And kind of glad in a way Grace and co. not there either. If the structures and game plan were there to seamlessly fit in but.........

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                  #698

                  https://twitter.com/Sportsfreakconz/status/1550305266847330306

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                  • Chris B.C Chris B.

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                    Bower will deservedly stay
                    ST can come in to hooker
                    Both our tightheads are shit
                    Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                    Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                    That's it. That's what can be done.

                    That's a realistic assessment.

                    For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                    Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                    Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                    The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                    There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

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                    @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                    Bower will deservedly stay
                    ST can come in to hooker
                    Both our tightheads are shit
                    Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                    Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                    That's it. That's what can be done.

                    That's a realistic assessment.

                    For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                    Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                    Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                    The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                    There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

                    i thought they may have bought newell in as well . williams is wonder if he has fitness required after watching him playing for the Maori

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                    • O Old Samurai Jack

                      @Chris-B SA against the Boks not really a place for young inexperienced tight forwards to be fair. I think Razor was even protecting the young guns in SR as well. And kind of glad in a way Grace and co. not there either. If the structures and game plan were there to seamlessly fit in but.........

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                      @Old-Samurai-Jack Yeah - that's why I'm suggesting as apprentices.

                      As someone wrote a few weeks ago - the problem if we don't get them involved this year is that by next year it may be too late to save us - even if they're ready.

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                        Hold on?????? Where the hell is Cullen Grace ??????????????????????? I have only just realised that he has not been selected. Bloody ridiculous.

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                        • P ploughboy

                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                          Bower will deservedly stay
                          ST can come in to hooker
                          Both our tightheads are shit
                          Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                          Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                          That's it. That's what can be done.

                          That's a realistic assessment.

                          For all the wailing, there's no Jesus forwards waiting in the wings. I'm somewhat desperately and even hypocritically (because I've never been a massive fan) suggesting Jager, because he might be marginally better than what we've picked.

                          Having stuck with Sam Cane, we're going to be stuck with an unbalanced loose trio.

                          Sami T. can provide some modest improvement at hooker.

                          The big call they could have made is to bring in the unready Crusaders props - Newell and Williams - at least as apprentices - in the hope that by this time next year they'll be test ready.

                          There's a bit more that can be done in the backs.

                          i thought they may have bought newell in as well . williams is wonder if he has fitness required after watching him playing for the Maori

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                          @ploughboy Williams is massive so I doubt he's got much stamina.

                          May never be a starter, but, as a bench prop he could eventually be devastating for 30 minutes.

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                          • Chris B.C Chris B.

                            @ploughboy Williams is massive so I doubt he's got much stamina.

                            May never be a starter, but, as a bench prop he could eventually be devastating for 30 minutes.

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                            @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @ploughboy Williams is massive so I doubt he's got much stamina.

                            May never be a starter, but, as a bench prop he could eventually be devastating for 30 minutes.

                            which is fine to when he has to play 60 + minute

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                            • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                              You can ask me a hundred times what that is and I won't be able to give you an answer just yet. I'd like you to bear with me, but we've got things in place right now and as soon as I can let you know a couple changes I'll let you know as soon as possible.

                              @Chris-B sounds like dry powder is back. I was getting a bit worried after we last saw a couple of scoops of it in the RWC19 quarter-final, but left drums of it in the hotel lobby before the semi-final.

                              Take a punt on de Groot against the Boks.

                              Play Scott Barrett for 80 and rotate the other locks.

                              Jordan at fullback.

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                              Chris B.
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                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              You can ask me a hundred times what that is and I won't be able to give you an answer just yet. I'd like you to bear with me, but we've got things in place right now and as soon as I can let you know a couple changes I'll let you know as soon as possible.

                              @Chris-B sounds like dry powder is back. I was getting a bit worried after we last saw a couple of scoops of it in the RWC19 quarter-final, but left drums of it in the hotel lobby before the semi-final.

                              Take a punt on de Groot against the Boks.

                              Play Scott Barrett for 80 and rotate the other locks.

                              Jordan at fullback.

                              Richie at 10, Will at fullback is certainly worth a crack.

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                Bower will deservedly stay
                                ST can come in to hooker
                                Both our tightheads are shit
                                Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                That's it. That's what can be done.

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                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                Bower will deservedly stay
                                ST can come in to hooker
                                Both our tightheads are shit
                                Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                That's it. That's what can be done.

                                Well I for one was hoping for a coach who might have a clue about what to do with those players. Insane, I know.

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                                  https://twitter.com/SENZAfternoons/status/1550315699524235264

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                                    Chester Draws
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                                    What are you guys on?

                                    Foster has just kept the same squad, except getting a couple of players back in, who we know he had hard-ons for.

                                    He's going to play the same team in Test 1 in SA that he did in Test 1 vs Ireland.

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                                    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                      realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                      Bower will deservedly stay
                                      ST can come in to hooker
                                      Both our tightheads are shit
                                      Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                      Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                      That's it. That's what can be done.

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                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      realistically, what actual changes are available up front?

                                      Bower will deservedly stay
                                      ST can come in to hooker
                                      Both our tightheads are shit
                                      Retallick is out so Barrett in with Whitelock
                                      Cane is captain and Ardie must start so that means a change at 6? or Save shifts to 6 and a new #8 brought in

                                      That's it. That's what can be done.

                                      Two changes in the tight 5 IMO. S Barrett returns and ST to start

                                      Cane is captain and Savea & Ioane were two of the best players last Test. So no changes in the loosies.
                                      What they do with the bench is more interesting. Hopefully Sotutu is given a chance

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                                      • number9N number9

                                        Someone educate me. Where is the raft of changes that was promised?
                                        Smae ol', same ol' if you ask me.

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                                        @number9 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        Someone educate me. Where is the raft of changes that was promised?
                                        Smae ol', same ol' if you ask me.

                                        Foster wants us to trust him. Changes behind scenes apparently.

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                                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @ploughboy Williams is massive so I doubt he's got much stamina.

                                          May never be a starter, but, as a bench prop he could eventually be devastating for 30 minutes.

                                          which is fine to when he has to play 60 + minute

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                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                          @ploughboy Williams is massive so I doubt he's got much stamina.

                                          May never be a starter, but, as a bench prop he could eventually be devastating for 30 minutes.

                                          which is fine to when he has to play 60 + minute

                                          Our current tightheads seem to struggle with that, as well.

                                          Maybe we can innovate and pick five props?

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