All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship
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@ARHS they should just have 1 sauce per article because when 1 is found to be rubbish the rest all crumble!
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Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Didn't one dude say it on Twitter? It wasn't even a "well-connected" journalist this time. All we know for sure is that Foster is in charge of ABs, MacDonald is taking the AB XV to Europe, and Razor isn't even in the frame. Foster said some changes were coming but that could be anything from a change in his breakfast menu to a reshuffle of duties by the existing coaches.
Razor was offered the All Blacks VX apparently, but seem coaching the Baabaas maybe worth a bit more coin?
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@Frank said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@gt12 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I think its smart by NZRU as next year post WC two assistants could argue they want to be on the team of a new head coach.
So then - regardless of result - Razor becomes the ‘continuity’ candidate as Fozzie has to bring in all new people.
If we win they chalk it to the assistants.
If we lose, they hang it on Fozzie.Motherfuckin wishful thinking - but I'm onboard!!!!
I don't care who is on-board or who leads who - I just don't want to see another shambles like last WE.
Try the new Assistants and Joe Schmidt involvement, but if there's no big, consistent improvement, then take some radical action after the EOYT.
@Victor-Meldrew There has been more than enough time to see if this works. It doesn't. Minimal progress in ABs since 2016.
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Coach / Assistant Coach discussion can go in this thread:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/5431/foster-must-go-assistant-coach-changes/
We were getting the exact same news/conversation in two places and it was getting hard to follow
Lets keep this thread about the squad discussion
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@pakman it's not. it's rubbish. and a bit of "my favourite players, and my least favourite players" drum beating.
His description of Frizzell is fucking laughable. But not surprising given the user name
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@pakman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
A lot to like about this article: https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/25/all-blacks-squad-for-south-africa-series-suggests-foster-is-about-to-make-the-same-mistakes-all-over-again/
That’s a great article if only for the gratuitous and totally unnecessary Led Zep references at the start.
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@pakman it's not. it's rubbish. and a bit of "my favourite players, and my least favourite players" drum beating.
His description of Frizzell is fucking laughable. But not surprising given the user name
@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@pakman it's not. it's rubbish. and a bit of "my favourite players, and my least favourite players" drum beating.
His description of Frizzell is fucking laughable. But not surprising given the user name
Is test Frizzell a different beast to Super R. Frizzell? The latter sounds great!
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@pakman it's not. it's rubbish. and a bit of "my favourite players, and my least favourite players" drum beating.
His description of Frizzell is fucking laughable. But not surprising given the user name
@mariner4life said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
His description of Frizzell is fucking laughable. But not surprising given the user name
The Roar is fucking weird. I skimmed the comments and Shannon was getting love in there too.
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I'm not as down on Frizzell as others. When first selected he was a joke, not even starting for the Highlanders - just a silly coach looking to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we could have had Luatua - hardly Frizzell's fault being selected though.
The last two years his super form has justified AB selection, he's been a real standout in a poor side. Maybe another year of ABs and he starts to stand out at the higher level too. Maybe not too of course, but I think his form is equal or better to others mentioned. -
@pakman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
A lot to like about this article: https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/25/all-blacks-squad-for-south-africa-series-suggests-foster-is-about-to-make-the-same-mistakes-all-over-again/
That’s a great article if only for the gratuitous and totally unnecessary Led Zep references at the start.
@MN5 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@pakman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
A lot to like about this article: https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/25/all-blacks-squad-for-south-africa-series-suggests-foster-is-about-to-make-the-same-mistakes-all-over-again/
That’s a great article if only for the gratuitous and totally unnecessary Led Zep references at the start.
Particularly as they nicked Dazed and Confused from Jake Holmes like Ireland nicked Bundee Aki.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@pakman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
A lot to like about this article: https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/25/all-blacks-squad-for-south-africa-series-suggests-foster-is-about-to-make-the-same-mistakes-all-over-again/
That’s a great article if only for the gratuitous and totally unnecessary Led Zep references at the start.
Particularly as they nicked Dazed and Confused from Jake Holmes like Ireland nicked Bundee Aki.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@MN5 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@pakman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
A lot to like about this article: https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/07/25/all-blacks-squad-for-south-africa-series-suggests-foster-is-about-to-make-the-same-mistakes-all-over-again/
That’s a great article if only for the gratuitous and totally unnecessary Led Zep references at the start.
Particularly as they nicked Dazed and Confused from Jake Holmes like Ireland nicked Bundee Aki.
They made it way better though, not unlike what Ireland did with Bundee
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I'm not as down on Frizzell as others. When first selected he was a joke, not even starting for the Highlanders - just a silly coach looking to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we could have had Luatua - hardly Frizzell's fault being selected though.
The last two years his super form has justified AB selection, he's been a real standout in a poor side. Maybe another year of ABs and he starts to stand out at the higher level too. Maybe not too of course, but I think his form is equal or better to others mentioned.@reprobate said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I'm not as down on Frizzell as others. When first selected he was a joke, not even starting for the Highlanders - just a silly coach looking to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we could have had Luatua - hardly Frizzell's fault being selected though.
The last two years his super form has justified AB selection, he's been a real standout in a poor side. Maybe another year of ABs and he starts to stand out at the higher level too. Maybe not too of course, but I think his form is equal or better to others mentioned.You know what, I am beginning to find a slight ok with this. I don't think Frizzle adds a dynamic edge to 6 but it looks like all the loosies are struggling unless they just go berserk mode like Ardie normally 60 minutes in, rip shit (forgive my technical language) and tear up the script.
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The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
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The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
Thing is that we could leave him out due to his personal failings if we had other 6's that ran straight and hard and stayed in the narrow channels.
As for giving players chances to develop, that is actually a problem we have from always looking for the next big thing rather than letting players develop. McCaw took years, even Carter was a 'project' at the start.
Ireland showed the possible benefits of investing in players (our discards).
I'm not saying that all mediocre players should be persisted with, just that sometimes in areas of weakness we need to back one horse rather than keep spreading bets.
An example may be QT in the midfield. He's no finished product by any means but it is possible to see a long term solid player there that we can build around. Bet we will ditch him for RTS. -
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
Thing is that we could leave him out due to his personal failings if we had other 6's that ran straight and hard and stayed in the narrow channels.
As for giving players chances to develop, that is actually a problem we have from always looking for the next big thing rather than letting players develop. McCaw took years, even Carter was a 'project' at the start.
Ireland showed the possible benefits of investing in players (our discards).
I'm not saying that all mediocre players should be persisted with, just that sometimes in areas of weakness we need to back one horse rather than keep spreading bets.
An example may be QT in the midfield. He's no finished product by any means but it is possible to see a long term solid player there that we can build around. Bet we will ditch him for RTS. -
@Crucial that's always been the way though, the next big thing is always round the corner.
McCaw hit the field running, it was his leadership moreso that he took time with.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial that's always been the way though, the next big thing is always round the corner.
McCaw hit the field running, it was his leadership moreso that he took time with.
No way was early McCaw anywhere near prime McCaw and I remember the times when everyone was saying he was done and past it as well.
Whitelock has been past it for the last 5 years on and off.Point is that we admire the shape and job ownership of teams like Ireland but that is made a lot easier when you aren't ditching good players because another one catches your eye. The really really good ones will stand out but we often seem to think 'that guy might do better'.
Class is obvious and needs to be introduced but how many average 6s have we tried by searching. If no single class player is around then stick with the one guy that plays the way of the gameplan and let them develop IMO.
I think that is what they were wanting to do with Frizzel which is why he has been rushed back in as soon as available.
Injuries in these 'unsolved' areas like 6 and midfield really haven't helped but we also seem to get in a tangle.
What happens when ALB comes back. He is the class midfielder. Rieko has put all his chips on 13 and we are currently investing in others at 12. I'm not sure that Rieko back to wing is anything more than a short term thing anyway as he isn't far from hitting the wing cliff that so many others have.RTS, ALB, Ioane, DMac and Jordan could be a world class lethal backline if the rest of the team is firing but I doubt we'll ever see it.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
Thing is that we could leave him out due to his personal failings if we had other 6's that ran straight and hard and stayed in the narrow channels.
As for giving players chances to develop, that is actually a problem we have from always looking for the next big thing rather than letting players develop. McCaw took years, even Carter was a 'project' at the start.
Ireland showed the possible benefits of investing in players (our discards).
I'm not saying that all mediocre players should be persisted with, just that sometimes in areas of weakness we need to back one horse rather than keep spreading bets.
An example may be QT in the midfield. He's no finished product by any means but it is possible to see a long term solid player there that we can build around. Bet we will ditch him for RTS.@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
Thing is that we could leave him out due to his personal failings if we had other 6's that ran straight and hard and stayed in the narrow channels.
As for giving players chances to develop, that is actually a problem we have from always looking for the next big thing rather than letting players develop. McCaw took years, even Carter was a 'project' at the start.
Ireland showed the possible benefits of investing in players (our discards).
I'm not saying that all mediocre players should be persisted with, just that sometimes in areas of weakness we need to back one horse rather than keep spreading bets.
An example may be QT in the midfield. He's no finished product by any means but it is possible to see a long term solid player there that we can build around. Bet we will ditch him for RTS.Um Akira was running straight and hard, tackling, moving bodies at the ruck in very last game. The amount of good play that people have to ignore to be on the hate bandwagon is hilarious.
As where he gets stationed, there are multiple Foster threads to discuss that.
Frizzel is just not up to test rugby. Same as PGS.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
Thing is that we could leave him out due to his personal failings if we had other 6's that ran straight and hard and stayed in the narrow channels.
As for giving players chances to develop, that is actually a problem we have from always looking for the next big thing rather than letting players develop. McCaw took years, even Carter was a 'project' at the start.
Ireland showed the possible benefits of investing in players (our discards).
I'm not saying that all mediocre players should be persisted with, just that sometimes in areas of weakness we need to back one horse rather than keep spreading bets.
An example may be QT in the midfield. He's no finished product by any means but it is possible to see a long term solid player there that we can build around. Bet we will ditch him for RTS.Um Akira was running straight and hard, tackling, moving bodies at the ruck in very last game. The amount of good play that people have to ignore to be on the hate bandwagon is hilarious.
As where he gets stationed, there are multiple Foster threads to discuss that.
Frizzel is just not up to test rugby. Same as PGS.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
The solution is not to pick mediocre players who have been given years of chances and been found wanting.
And that was during a period of our tight five being pretty good. Picking him now, without fixing the tight five is going to expose his flaws even more.
And that’s without getting into his flaws as a human being.
Thing is that we could leave him out due to his personal failings if we had other 6's that ran straight and hard and stayed in the narrow channels.
As for giving players chances to develop, that is actually a problem we have from always looking for the next big thing rather than letting players develop. McCaw took years, even Carter was a 'project' at the start.
Ireland showed the possible benefits of investing in players (our discards).
I'm not saying that all mediocre players should be persisted with, just that sometimes in areas of weakness we need to back one horse rather than keep spreading bets.
An example may be QT in the midfield. He's no finished product by any means but it is possible to see a long term solid player there that we can build around. Bet we will ditch him for RTS.Um Akira was running straight and hard, tackling, moving bodies at the ruck in very last game. The amount of good play that people have to ignore to be on the hate bandwagon is hilarious.
As where he gets stationed, there are multiple Foster threads to discuss that.
Frizzel is just not up to test rugby. Same as PGS.
Just because people don't see your favourite player in the same shining light you do doesn't make them haters.
Akira was never mentioned but you had to saddle up.I have nothing against Akira, certainly not a hater. Just don't see him fitting what we need at 6. Would be happy to see him at 8 but he would also be a bigger Ardie and probably isn't as accurate.
