All Blacks v Pumas 1
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With no Ofa or Nepo, it looks unlikely that there will be a change to front row players that played on SA 2.
Just a question on who starts up front. I’d go with the same starters and possibly give Newell a shot at starting in game 2.
Not that o thought he was a genuine chance, but with Tuipoluto’s injury, and Retallick getting the HB shield match, the Scooter, Sam and Vaa’i trio looks locked in. I wouldn’t mind seeing Dickson in there or against the Aussies as I think there is real promise.
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Josh Dickson debut off the bench this weekend yes or no?
I don't think he will, Whitelock,Barrett Starting Vaa'i on the bench is what I think will be selected..
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I think they will roll out the same 23 as long as there are no injuries. Only possibilities being giving Sotutu a run (Ioane to stand aside) and if the tapes of Argentina v Oz show a potential late in the game the using Fakatava's running game could be tried.
I also wish that we were secure enough to dump BB for a game (Perofeta on bench) based on being the most recent Barrett to do something really dumbE. L. de Groot
S. F. S. Taukei'aho
T. S. Lomax
S. L. Whitelock
S. K. Barrett
S. M. Frizell
S. J. Cane (C)
A. S. Savea
A. L. Smith
R. F. Mo'unga
C. D. Clarke
D. K. Havili
R. E. Ioane
W. T. Jordan
J. M. BarrettRESERVES
C. J. D. Taylor
G. G. Bower
F. D. Newell
T. P. O. Vaa'i
A. L. Ioane / Sotutu
F. T. Christie / Fakatava
B. J. Barrett
Q. P. C. Tupaea -
I think they will roll out the same 23 as long as there are no injuries. Only possibilities being giving Sotutu a run (Ioane to stand aside) and if the tapes of Argentina v Oz show a potential late in the game the using Fakatava's running game could be tried.
I also wish that we were secure enough to dump BB for a game (Perofeta on bench) based on being the most recent Barrett to do something really dumbE. L. de Groot
S. F. S. Taukei'aho
T. S. Lomax
S. L. Whitelock
S. K. Barrett
S. M. Frizell
S. J. Cane (C)
A. S. Savea
A. L. Smith
R. F. Mo'unga
C. D. Clarke
D. K. Havili
R. E. Ioane
W. T. Jordan
J. M. BarrettRESERVES
C. J. D. Taylor
G. G. Bower
F. D. Newell
T. P. O. Vaa'i
A. L. Ioane / Sotutu
F. T. Christie / Fakatava
B. J. Barrett
Q. P. C. Tupaea -
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
the most recent Barrett to do something really dumb
You mean the YC for the push off the ball?
Some may say it was quite smart and calculated given proximity to the line...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
the most recent Barrett to do something really dumb
You mean the YC for the push off the ball?
Some may say it was quite smart and calculated given proximity to the line...
If so then he decided it would have been a try otherwise. Lucky that Pearce didn't think the same. Was a fine margin IMO.
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Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
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@Crucial you get what people mean surely
other teams might spend time building phases, working their way up field and yes....the perfect dummy or skip pass puts someone over the line
We try and do our moment of brilliance inside out own half and strike from anywhere without the graft to put them in a position where it is more likely to work
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial you get what people mean surely
other teams might spend time building phases, working their way up field and yes....the perfect dummy or skip pass puts someone over the line
We try and do our moment of brilliance inside out own half and strike from anywhere without the graft to put them in a position where it is more likely to work
Don't we need to do both?
There was a fair bit of that in Boer II, IIRC.
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Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
I dunno, some of the errors were pretty voluminous.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
But not all mistakes all countable, e.g. players not positioning well. Fewer knock-ons and penalties is correct as it's definitive/countable. Less mistakes is equally correct as it includes non-countable stuff.
Hope that's clear.... :fishing_pole:
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial you get what people mean surely
other teams might spend time building phases, working their way up field and yes....the perfect dummy or skip pass puts someone over the line
We try and do our moment of brilliance inside out own half and strike from anywhere without the graft to put them in a position where it is more likely to work
Don't we need to do both?
There was a fair bit of that in Boer II, IIRC.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial you get what people mean surely
other teams might spend time building phases, working their way up field and yes....the perfect dummy or skip pass puts someone over the line
We try and do our moment of brilliance inside out own half and strike from anywhere without the graft to put them in a position where it is more likely to work
Don't we need to do both?
There was a fair bit of that in Boer II, IIRC.
of course thats what we should be aiming for, i only have a problem when we only try and do the fancy stuff and not the hard graft
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Think they'll pick the same team as Boer II as much as possible and try to build on that win. Less mistakes, bit better positioning out wide, that sort of thing. If things are going well, the likes of Paps, Sotutu, Vai'i and QT given more game time than usual - think it's a bit early to have RTS on the bench for Pumas 1 but expect some serious game time in the next match.
The Pumas won't be a pushover so a decent win would be show some consistency and wouldn't that be a good thing?
Fewer.
Just saying.
But not all mistakes all countable, e.g. players not positioning well. Fewer knock-ons and penalties is correct as it's definitive/countable. Less mistakes is equally correct as it includes non-countable stuff.
Hope that's clear.... :fishing_pole:
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nah actually i don't mean that. injuries are shit. getting hurt at training is double shit. poor bastard.
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nah actually i don't mean that. injuries are shit. getting hurt at training is double shit. poor bastard.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
nah actually i don't mean that. injuries are shit. getting hurt at training is double shit. poor bastard.
You wonder if he'd have been picked at 10? Foster changes his mind like a battleship turns, once you're in you're in, but if you're just getting going chopping and changing is his way. It's bizarre
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
nah actually i don't mean that. injuries are shit. getting hurt at training is double shit. poor bastard.
You wonder if he'd have been picked at 10? Foster changes his mind like a battleship turns, once you're in you're in, but if you're just getting going chopping and changing is his way. It's bizarre
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
nah actually i don't mean that. injuries are shit. getting hurt at training is double shit. poor bastard.
You wonder if he'd have been picked at 10? Foster changes his mind like a battleship turns, once you're in you're in, but if you're just getting going chopping and changing is his way. It's bizarre
i reckon this place would have kicked right off
