All Blacks 2023
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
- Smith
- DMAC
- Rieko
- Jordie
- Aumua
- Stevenson/Narawa
- Jordan
Imagine we had 10 or 15 tests left to get that to gel.
It is really only 12-13 combination that needs much time to gel though, I'm sure at 14 either will fit in and make impact quickly. In saying that, has DMac played at 10 with Smith at 9? Probably off the bench?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
- Smith
- DMAC
- Rieko
- Jordie
- Aumua
- Stevenson/Narawa
- Jordan
Imagine we had 10 or 15 tests left to get that to gel.
It is really only 12-13 combination that needs much time to gel though, I'm sure at 14 either will fit in and make impact quickly. In saying that, has DMac played at 10 with Smith at 9? Probably off the bench?
Yeah was the centres I had in mind regarding the gelling.
I don't think we win it with the status quo but I think we could if we try something and make a few tough calls.
Beaudy scored 1 try last year? Where the ball nutmegged an Irish defender on the try line and he jumped on it....
That's it...from an Allblack fullback in a calendar year. That aint gonna cut the mustard folks.
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I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
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I can't foresee a World Cup win without Will Jordan.
He is one of the crown jewels and I suspect Fozzie would have had a much easier time of it if he was fit and firing.
We need as many points of difference as we can get. Ardie is one. Samisoni is one. Rieko is one. Will Jordan is another. Most of the rest of them are meat and potato interchangeable players.
You don't see tries like this very often.
He has the young Beauden Barrett magic where every chip and chase bounces for him too.
This is cheat code stuff.
@Steve much as that try against Ireland was absolutely brilliant, probably the one game that shouldn't be used to promote Wii as an AB. I was at game and genuinley was so disappointed that the 12 seconds involved in that try was virtually I thought about all he seemed interested in during the 80 minutes of the game. I was watching him not seem to attempt to take high balls etc kicked hiw way on wing. I actually thought he must of been injured, until he had be standing yelling as he scored that try. He is a much better player than he showed in that test, apart from that 12 seconds etc.
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When was the last time Will Jordan played?
Touching wood, but isn't his future less than clear?
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
When was the last time Will Jordan played?
Touching wood, but isn't his future less than clear?
Last year , why I made my comment on Narawa, Will needs to be back on field to get some rugby under his belt, show selectors he has still got it after long lay off.
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
No 2 against Boks, playing a warm up for WC against them at Twickenham.
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I'm with @Steve on Jordan, if he's fit he's straight back into my starting 15. Players like him win tight tests, he's absolutely critical to our chances.
This is the backline I'm wanting right now:
- Smith
- DMac
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Jordan
- Sullivan
That's a backline that could take crappy possession and score points anyway. DMac, Jordie and Sullivan also gives us kicking options across the park.
We really need to shelve some of our experience and throw caution to the wind this year as we're a fair way off top sides, so anything conservative will almost certainly see an early exit.
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I'm with @Steve on Jordan, if he's fit he's straight back into my starting 15. Players like him win tight tests, he's absolutely critical to our chances.
This is the backline I'm wanting right now:
- Smith
- DMac
- Clarke
- Jordie
- Rieko
- Jordan
- Sullivan
That's a backline that could take crappy possession and score points anyway. DMac, Jordie and Sullivan also gives us kicking options across the park.
We really need to shelve some of our experience and throw caution to the wind this year as we're a fair way off top sides, so anything conservative will almost certainly see an early exit.
@No-Quarter i REALLY want to see Jordan at 15....but i dont hate that selection, a couple of form, a couple on being established...id like to see it fire
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do? He played exactly the same team as before, with exactly the same game plan.
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do? He played exactly the same team as before, with exactly the same game plan.
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do? He played exactly the same team as before, with exactly the same game plan.
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
Foster's entire reign has been the definition of blinkered and stubborn. So he will stick with the tried and (not actually) true
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@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do? He played exactly the same team as before, with exactly the same game plan.
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do?
He won?
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
Going with the most settled side possible is pretty much what every successful AB coach has done thru the years - particularly RWC-winning ones. Whether he has built the optimum settled side is open to debate...
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2023:
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I think Fozzies hand will be forced anyway like it has been historically......
5 games to go. 2 against Australia, 2 against the Boks and 1 against Argentina.
There are no easybeats there. There will be casualties.
There is only 1 vs the Boks isn’t there?
Edit: sorry forgot about the game in the UK.
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
He knows he isn't getting reappointed.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
@Steve said in All Blacks 2023:
I don't think what we have seen so far from the AB's under Foster is going to win the cup....
The signs are def. there they could way better that we think. The problem is they fade away at the wrong time. E.g. the forwards were utter shite in the last quarter against England on the EOYT - appalling.
Surely he has to roll the dice on a few calls no?
The problem is he's rolled the dice and it hasn't come off either thru injury (QT) or picking players who look great at SR level but shit at Test level (take your pick but start with George Bridge). And he really doesn't have the games to try new things.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do?
He won?
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
Going with the most settled side possible is pretty much what every successful AB coach has done thru the years - particularly RWC-winning ones. Whether he has built the optimum settled side is open to debate...
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?
@Victor-Meldrew I was pointing out what he did, and that change was unlikely.
That Foster's team won in South Africa isn't a huge proof that his player selection and strategies are good. If they were, they wouldn't have been in a "must win" position to start with.
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?He had no choice, did he? Cruden was injured, and while some of Carter's form had dropped away, he started from so much higher than everyone else. I would have started a fully fit Cruden over Carter, but the decision to play Carter was obvious.
I would argue that picking Sam Cane is similar to the Carter situation. There are potential other selections, all of whom are playing well. Cane had a poor season last year, but again from a high starting point. Picking him might not be everyone's choice, but it's not mental.
Beauden Barrett's decline is not in the same league as Carter's nor Cane's. Not even close. He is stinking out his Super Rugby team, and shouldn't be starting for them, let alone the All Blacks.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do?
He won?
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
Going with the most settled side possible is pretty much what every successful AB coach has done thru the years - particularly RWC-winning ones. Whether he has built the optimum settled side is open to debate...
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do?
He won?
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
Going with the most settled side possible is pretty much what every successful AB coach has done thru the years - particularly RWC-winning ones. Whether he has built the optimum settled side is open to debate...
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster was way more under the gun in South Africa last year. What did he do?
He won?
As much as it pains me, Foster isn't going to take the slightest risk. He will go in with the 2022 side, unless forced by injury to change.
Going with the most settled side possible is pretty much what every successful AB coach has done thru the years - particularly RWC-winning ones. Whether he has built the optimum settled side is open to debate...
He was talking recently about how he thought Beauden Barrett might regain his form, as if returning him to #10. Really? He thinks that a man who hasn't done much for years is suddenly going to return to what he was five years ago?
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?
Whatever way he goes with selection , if he doesn’t win , he will have got his selections wrong according to all the critics with hindsight.
It’s been pretty much the case with every failed wc so far , can’t see it changing this time
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@Victor-Meldrew I was pointing out what he did, and that change was unlikely.
That Foster's team won in South Africa isn't a huge proof that his player selection and strategies are good. If they were, they wouldn't have been in a "must win" position to start with.
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?He had no choice, did he? Cruden was injured, and while some of Carter's form had dropped away, he started from so much higher than everyone else. I would have started a fully fit Cruden over Carter, but the decision to play Carter was obvious.
I would argue that picking Sam Cane is similar to the Carter situation. There are potential other selections, all of whom are playing well. Cane had a poor season last year, but again from a high starting point. Picking him might not be everyone's choice, but it's not mental.
Beauden Barrett's decline is not in the same league as Carter's nor Cane's. Not even close. He is stinking out his Super Rugby team, and shouldn't be starting for them, let alone the All Blacks.
@Chester-Draws I agree about BB. His form has fallen off a cliff. He's a shadow of his former self right now. But he wouldn't be the first AB to appear bang average in SR only to come good in black. I'm highly sceptical of that happening though
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@Chester-Draws I agree about BB. His form has fallen off a cliff. He's a shadow of his former self right now. But he wouldn't be the first AB to appear bang average in SR only to come good in black. I'm highly sceptical of that happening though
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chester-Draws I agree about BB. His form has fallen off a cliff. He's a shadow of his former self right now. But he wouldn't be the first AB to appear bang average in SR only to come good in black. I'm highly sceptical of that happening though
Trouble is that Dan and Richie were also like this at times then came right.
I suspect that BBs problem is confidence though and how does that come back? Unless he clears his mind and plays a coule of blinders for the Blues at the pointy end the ABs might risk him finding his feet in black. -
@Victor-Meldrew I was pointing out what he did, and that change was unlikely.
That Foster's team won in South Africa isn't a huge proof that his player selection and strategies are good. If they were, they wouldn't have been in a "must win" position to start with.
I recall pretty much the same thing being said about Carter pre-RWC2015. Was Hansen wrong to pick him?He had no choice, did he? Cruden was injured, and while some of Carter's form had dropped away, he started from so much higher than everyone else. I would have started a fully fit Cruden over Carter, but the decision to play Carter was obvious.
I would argue that picking Sam Cane is similar to the Carter situation. There are potential other selections, all of whom are playing well. Cane had a poor season last year, but again from a high starting point. Picking him might not be everyone's choice, but it's not mental.
Beauden Barrett's decline is not in the same league as Carter's nor Cane's. Not even close. He is stinking out his Super Rugby team, and shouldn't be starting for them, let alone the All Blacks.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
He had no choice, did he? Cruden was injured, and while some of Carter's form had dropped away, he started from so much higher than everyone else. I would have started a fully fit Cruden over Carter, but the decision to play Carter was obvious.
Not quite the point I was making. There was a fair bit of criticism in Carter's selection - regardless of injuries to other players - which echoes what is being said about BB right now. Foster's hoping BB will come right is equally valid and has the same type of risk in Hansen hoping Carter would re-capture his form.
That said, I'm pretty ambivalent about the bloke being selected.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2023:
He had no choice, did he? Cruden was injured, and while some of Carter's form had dropped away, he started from so much higher than everyone else. I would have started a fully fit Cruden over Carter, but the decision to play Carter was obvious.
Not quite the point I was making. There was a fair bit of criticism in Carter's selection - regardless of injuries to other players - which echoes what is being said about BB right now. Foster's hoping BB will come right is equally valid and has the same type of risk in Hansen hoping Carter would re-capture his form.
That said, I'm pretty ambivalent about the bloke being selected.
@Victor-Meldrew I thought Dan was more around niggly injuries than his form, which IIRC he at least showed he was still up to it more often than not, whereas BB seems to have only glimpses of his former self, but could be a confidence issue.
