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It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.

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  • WingerW Winger

    @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

    I thought it was going to be that.

    Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

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    @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

    @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

    I thought it was going to be that.

    Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

    Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

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      Have seen this channel lately and don't know if this is credible or not to be honest.

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        Have seen this channel lately and don't know if this is credible or not to be honest.

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        @SBW1 That's not an NZR account.

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        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

          @Machpants I expect this part involves alot of movement of current super coaches, so will take some ironing out!

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          @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

          @Machpants I expect this part involves alot of movement of current super coaches, so will take some ironing out!

          Not really, the coaches are all NZ contracted, so the sorting of assist coaches is not hard. The hard part is 3 SR teams cleaning up the mess afterwards, like we had with Hollands appt last minute to the Canes 2019/2020

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          • S SBW1

            Have seen this channel lately and don't know if this is credible or not to be honest.

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            @SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

            Have seen this channel lately and don't know if this is credible or not to be honest.

            About as real as that Antifa twitter account post around Cleopatra!

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            • M Machpants

              @SBW1 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

              Have seen this channel lately and don't know if this is credible or not to be honest.

              About as real as that Antifa twitter account post around Cleopatra!

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              @Machpants .....that might be one of the most random combination of words in a single sentence ive ever heard....im going to have to looks that now....im sure i'll regret it

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                @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                @Machpants I expect this part involves alot of movement of current super coaches, so will take some ironing out!

                Not really, the coaches are all NZ contracted, so the sorting of assist coaches is not hard. The hard part is 3 SR teams cleaning up the mess afterwards, like we had with Hollands appt last minute to the Canes 2019/2020

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                @Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                @Machpants I expect this part involves alot of movement of current super coaches, so will take some ironing out!

                Not really, the coaches are all NZ contracted, so the sorting of assist coaches is not hard. The hard part is 3 SR teams cleaning up the mess afterwards, like we had with Hollands appt last minute to the Canes 2019/2020

                They may be NZR contracted but many get top ups from the Franchise partners

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    How many assistant coaches does Robertson want? If that NZH article is correct, MacDonald is sort of redundant when you also have Holland in charge of the attack.

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                    @Bovidae said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                    How many assistant coaches does Robertson want? If that NZH article is correct, MacDonald is sort of redundant when you also have Holland in charge of the attack.

                    If this helps, I did some digging for you - a complete history of Razor's assistant configuration.

                    NZ U20's (less relevant as limited resources for a full coaching set-up.)

                    2015: MacDonald, Umaga.

                    2016: Philpott, Rickards.

                    Canterbury

                    2013-2014: Ryan, Holland, Hansen.

                    2015-2016: Ryan, Haggard, Maddock.

                    Crusaders

                    2017: Ryan, MacDonald, Mooar.

                    2018-2019: Ryan, O'Gara, Goodman, Mooar.

                    2020: Ryan, Hansen, Goodman, Jones.

                    2021-2022: Ryan, Hansen, Goodman, Ellison.

                    2023: Perrin, Hansen, Marshall, Ellison.

                    Seems like a forwards/set-piece coach, 2-3 attack/backs coaches, & defense coach is his preferred structure.

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                    • canefanC canefan

                      @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      @Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      For New Zealand Rugby, the awkward ramifications of signing off that team would involve telling All Blacks assistants Scott McLeod (defence) and Greg Feek (scrum) they will soon be on the outer as part of a widespread cleanout

                      Awkward ramifications? Must have been such an huge surprise to them all...hope none of them read that article.

                      Weird take by NZH

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                      @canefan said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      @taniwharugby said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      @Machpants said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                      For New Zealand Rugby, the awkward ramifications of signing off that team would involve telling All Blacks assistants Scott McLeod (defence) and Greg Feek (scrum) they will soon be on the outer as part of a widespread cleanout

                      Awkward ramifications? Must have been such an huge surprise to them all...hope none of them read that article.

                      Weird take by NZH

                      But you repeat yourself

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                        Robertson is understood to have settled on, and now informed, his preferred All Blacks coaching team. That includes incumbent forwards coach Jason Ryan leading the scrum/lineout/breakdown, Blues head coach Leon MacDonald taking charge of attacking shape, highly-regarded Crusaders assistant Scott Hansen overseeing defence and Holland designing strike plays.

                        For New Zealand Rugby, the awkward ramifications of signing off that team would involve telling All Blacks assistants Scott McLeod (defence) and Greg Feek (scrum) they will soon be on the outer as part of a widespread cleanout, with head coach Ian Foster and Joe Schimdt already signposting their intent to move on after the World Cup.

                        Paywalled

                        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/all-blacks-exclusive-scott-robertsons-decision-made-on-his-preferred-coaching-team-for-2024/7R25B2TTCBGIXMCMIF7TLRC6JE/

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                        @Machpants quoted NZH in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                        Blues head coach Leon MacDonald taking charge of attacking shape

                        Well, I guess we're all going to be thrilled with the difference in Beauden no longer cross field kicking to try and stretch the defence...

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                        • ChrisC Chris

                          @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                          I thought it was going to be that.

                          Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                          Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

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                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                          @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                          I thought it was going to be that.

                          Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                          Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                          Who would be the option though?

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                          • boobooB booboo

                            @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                            I thought it was going to be that.

                            Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                            Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                            Who would be the option though?

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                            @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                            Who would be the option though?

                            Scott Barrett is who I thought he'd choose.

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                              Who would be the option though?

                              Scott Barrett is who I thought he'd choose.

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                              @Bovidae fair call.

                              Wouldn't be averse, but I do get better vibes with Papalii.

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                              • boobooB booboo

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                I thought it was going to be that.

                                Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                Who would be the option though?

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                                @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                I thought it was going to be that.

                                Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                Who would be the option though?

                                Scott Barrett,Ardie Savea or stick with Cane could be other options.

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                  I thought it was going to be that.

                                  Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                  Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                  Who would be the option though?

                                  Scott Barrett,Ardie Savea or stick with Cane could be other options.

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                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                  @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                  I thought it was going to be that.

                                  Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                  Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                  Who would be the option though?

                                  Scott Barrett,Ardie Savea or stick with Cane could be other options.

                                  Wasn't sure his plans post RWC.

                                  Cane (and am massive fanboi) no guarantee to be No.1 No.7 THIS year.

                                  See above re SB.

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                                  • boobooB booboo

                                    @Bovidae fair call.

                                    Wouldn't be averse, but I do get better vibes with Papalii.

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                                    @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                    Wouldn't be averse, but I do get better vibes with Papalii.

                                    I'm not sure Papalii is the best option myself. He's not the most vocal on-field captain, and you need someone who is always in the ear of the ref, or at the very least, asks the right questions when required.

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                                    • boobooB booboo

                                      @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                      I thought it was going to be that.

                                      Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                      Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                      Who would be the option though?

                                      Scott Barrett,Ardie Savea or stick with Cane could be other options.

                                      Wasn't sure his plans post RWC.

                                      Cane (and am massive fanboi) no guarantee to be No.1 No.7 THIS year.

                                      See above re SB.

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                                      @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                      Ardie Savea

                                      2024 Japan contract instead of playing SR,Back for AB season.

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                                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                        @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                        Wouldn't be averse, but I do get better vibes with Papalii.

                                        I'm not sure Papalii is the best option myself. He's not the most vocal on-field captain, and you need someone who is always in the ear of the ref, or at the very least, asks the right questions when required.

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                                        @Bovidae said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                        always in the ear of the ref

                                        Tend to think that's overrated.

                                        Gregan and Burke did it well for Aus and McCaw for us, but think it's not as much of a factor anymore.

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                                        • boobooB booboo

                                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                          I thought it was going to be that.

                                          Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                          Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                          Who would be the option though?

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                                          @booboo said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Winger said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Chris said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @george33 said in It’s Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:

                                          @Chris no switch he's 7 and captain

                                          I thought it was going to be that.

                                          Smart move to not select a Crusader as captain. If it happens.

                                          Yeah it is,sends a good message to the players.

                                          Who would be the option though?

                                          Someone who's guaranteed to play 80 minutes, I'd love to see Jordie AB's captain at 12, he's a massive leader for the Hurricanes, very tactically smart player and would relish that extra responsibility I reckon.

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