Argentina v All Blacks
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If Dmac is starting, it would have been good to see SS in there as well. Potentially, the ABs territorial kicking game could have been improved significantly.
BB... I will be screaming at the TV if we fuck around at our exits and put pressure on ourselves as we have been doing consistently since 2019. ....sigh... I know it is going to happen and I need to mentally prepare for it but the game is on at 4:00 in the morning here so alcohol is not an option.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina v All Blacks:
but the game is on at 4:00 in the morning here so alcohol is not an option.
Fuck me, have you never heard of an All-Nighter?
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Playing devil's advocate, what's gonna happen if after another couple of games some of the retained stalwarts are still outta form
@BerniesCorner nothing....nothing will happen...the die is cast
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
Hey still tested, just because they failed the test!
No one, in the history of test rugby looked at EdG, DC and TL and thought....now there's a front row that's seen everything together.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
De Groot/Coles
how much has Coles played with De Groot?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
by tried and tested i did assume we were talking about combos that passed the test....haven't we been talking for months about BB, CC and Frizell at least not firing for the AB's...so two of those combos have weak links
This might be CC & BB drinking in the Last Chance Saloon - haven't been impressed with either in SR or in 2022 and BB's kicking is shit. Much prefer to have a fit Jordan or confident SS at 15.
But as someone mentioned above, Foster wasn't going to throw a whole bunch of newbies in against Argentina in the 1st Test of the season when the AB's are normally rusty.
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@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
That may or may not be true because he is hardly going to say the opposite. We need to take statements like that (from anybody) with a grain salt.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'm certain their misgivings are about his defence.
He was def. considered for this Test and has impressed:
“He featured in discussion and we decided to go somewhere else,” Foster told reporters in Mendoza. “I’ve been impressed with Shaun since he’s come in. Sometimes it’s good for people to come in and get a feel for the space and to learn.
“I think he’s doing everything we’re asking from him and that’s all we can really ask of all our squad members; to really enjoy being here and train hard and he’s done that and he’s done everything we’ve asked of him so did he feature in the conversation? Yes, he did.”
That may or may not be true because he is hardly going to say the opposite. We need to take statements like that (from anybody) with a grain salt.
@Crazy-Horse when Henry/Hansen (less late Hansen) used to say it, and I disagreed, I trusted their decision making more, they had the results to back up thier decisions, Foster doesnt.
Sure he has a had a poor record, alot will largely get forgotten if he pulls off the RWC, but for that, he needs to be bold, nothing here screams bold.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Kiwiwomble said in Argentina v All Blacks:
.but what tried and tested combos has he gone with?
Ardie/Cane/Frizzel, De Groot/Coles/Lomax, BB/CC/RI.
If Telea or Jordan were fully fit and he'd picked Mo'unga at 10 instead of the form SR 10 it would be a pretty experienced & settled team. The exception is Lord at 5 and the lack of cover for 12 on the bench - so he's rolled the dice there a bit.
Not sure the 11/10/13 axis is traditionally considered a “combo”…
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This might be CC & BB drinking in the Last Chance Saloon - haven't been impressed with either in SR or in 2022 and BB's kicking is shit. Much prefer to have a fit Jordan or confident SS at 15.
But as someone mentioned above, Foster wasn't going to throw a whole bunch of newbies in against Argentina in the 1st Test of the season when the AB's are normally rusty.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
when the AB's are normally rusty
I'm not sure throwing in a bunch of rusty players instead is the answer.
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I'd rather die by the sword than survive on limp lettuce
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This might be CC & BB drinking in the Last Chance Saloon - haven't been impressed with either in SR or in 2022 and BB's kicking is shit. Much prefer to have a fit Jordan or confident SS at 15.
But as someone mentioned above, Foster wasn't going to throw a whole bunch of newbies in against Argentina in the 1st Test of the season when the AB's are normally rusty.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
This might be CC & BB drinking in the Last Chance Saloon
I am hoping a few others have also been given notice. Looking at you Laulala and Frizell.
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Yep roll the dice now
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Jeez I can't believe how some people believe what Foster is saying. Post 2019 'we need to front up' picks same front row shit until injuries force change. We def considered SS, but decided to instead pick someone who's last good game was back in 2016 - so much dry powder
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Well I'll go against the grain and say I really like that backline. The only change I'd make for the RWC is Jordan at 14 when he's fit. Very happy to see them giving DMac some time at 10, and excited to see what he can do with Jordie and Rieko outside him. I hope he really challenges Mo'unga for the starting 10 slot.
BB at the back is purely an experience thing, he will be there to help organise the backline, particularly on defense which I suspect is what they are wanting SS to do more. Agree with others that I wouldn't start him at 10 anymore, but he's still very effective from 15.
On the bench, we'd have ALB there if he wasn't suspended. Would like to see Roigard there but he is very green still.
The forwards I am less convinced by. Would prefer Dalton starting at 7, though Cane has played well enough this year to keep his spot. Frizell I just do not understand at all and I don't think I ever will. Playing him repeatedly does not solve any of our problems at 6.
@Stargazer is right I think when he said some selections are about giving players from the final another week off.
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Well I'll go against the grain and say I really like that backline. The only change I'd make for the RWC is Jordan at 14 when he's fit. Very happy to see them giving DMac some time at 10, and excited to see what he can do with Jordie and Rieko outside him. I hope he really challenges Mo'unga for the starting 10 slot.
BB at the back is purely an experience thing, he will be there to help organise the backline, particularly on defense which I suspect is what they are wanting SS to do more. Agree with others that I wouldn't start him at 10 anymore, but he's still very effective from 15.
On the bench, we'd have ALB there if he wasn't suspended. Would like to see Roigard there but he is very green still.
The forwards I am less convinced by. Would prefer Dalton starting at 7, though Cane has played well enough this year to keep his spot. Frizell I just do not understand at all and I don't think I ever will. Playing him repeatedly does not solve any of our problems at 6.
@Stargazer is right I think when he said some selections are about giving players from the final another week off.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
BB at the back is purely an experience thing, he will be there to help organise the backline, particularly on defense
So funny, have you watched BB this year? Last year?
