RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
Which is kinda weird as the result is almost academic.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
Which is kinda weird as the result is almost academic.
It may not be, if Scotland get through. Foster has already given up on winning it
On whether the opening clash is a “must win”, Foster shared his thoughts on 2019 where the All Blacks defeated South Africa in pool play but ended up with a tougher path into the finals.
“I’m often asked what we’d do differently about 2019 and I said ‘Just throw the first game’. We beat South Africa and they happened to have a different path to the final,” Foster said.
“You never know in tournaments. We have one clear goal, to make sure we qualify and get into a quarter-final situation. Then it is a one-off game.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew using Nonu as your example.
The Foster-fluffing (not that I said it) comment I imagine is not related so much to this one post defending a poor decision by him, but your many other posts doing so. You've even been doing it tangentially by having repeated cracks at Ryan on the boks match.
While some of the Foster criticism is over the top, there's also a huge amount of perfectly valid criticism. If you're making a play for both broken record and white knight, it's a decent one.Nice ad hom, but it ain't washing.
If you think calling out the AB forwards performance against the Boks at Twickenham (easily the worst I've seen in over a decade) and suggesting the forwards and the coaching needs a kick up the arse is tangentially fluffing Foster or supporting him, then you've simply moved the bizarre needle even further up the scale.
And for the record, I posted I wanted Foster gone after the Irish series.
Calling out the forward performance is fine. It was shit, but it was also 7 men and some newbies who hadn't played much recently on the bench - so I personally wouldn't rate it quite that far down the scale.
The bit where it gets weird is that the backs were just as bad, and the head coach is meant to be where the buck stops. But you repeatedly went for Ryan, almost as if you were offended that he had been given credit rather than Foster for the recent prior success.
If at every opportunity you defend Foster, it's hardly surprising people see that as the reason for you using Nonu's poor super form to justify Foster's decision to pick Christie.The forwards were shit at Twickenham. I suggest the forwards and their coaches need to get their act together but I only said that because I'm offended that Ryan had been given credit for previous good performances rather than Foster?
Fuck me....
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@dogmeat yeah i was actually just thinking i should probably do some apologising for being a dick in the lead-up. thought i had got to the point of just laughing off the repeated dumb stuff we're doing but still care a fair bit, i guess.
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat yeah i was actually just thinking i should probably do some apologising for being a dick in the lead-up. thought i had got to the point of just laughing off the repeated dumb stuff we're doing but still care a fair bit, i guess.
As us long-suffering Chiefs supporters can’t stop pointing out: now you know why we were all such fluffybunnies (not sure what our excuse is for last decade, mind.)
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I think one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the pressure on France. Disappointment after disappointment at RWC’s. Jekyll and Hyde type form within the same Cup campaign.
Has expectation ever been so high for a French team heading into a RWC with recent form and it being in their backyard?
I can only imagine (and I wish I was there) that the place will be buzzing but from what I’ve read so far there is an air of “if we can’t win this one, will it ever happen” undertone.
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@Machpants as much as I’m on the Roigard over Christie bandwagon, the context that SA were 35-0 at this point shouldn’t be ignored.
@MajorRage said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants as much as I’m on the Roigard over Christie bandwagon, the context that SA were 35-0 at this point shouldn’t be ignored.
Wasn't impressed with his option to kick with the overlap either.
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I think one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the pressure on France. Disappointment after disappointment at RWC’s. Jekyll and Hyde type form within the same Cup campaign.
Has expectation ever been so high for a French team heading into a RWC with recent form and it being in their backyard?
I can only imagine (and I wish I was there) that the place will be buzzing but from what I’ve read so far there is an air of “if we can’t win this one, will it ever happen” undertone.
@ACT-Crusader notice they havent picked up the choker tag, despite being 0/3 in finals...
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be interesting to see the odds they had initially vs the other big teams in the years they made the finals - they've definitely overcome the odds to make the final in a couple of those years (at our expense).
This is the first year they had the team to win it I reckon - particularly when considering our, aussie and england's current weakness. terribly unlucky with injuries already though. -
@ACT-Crusader notice they havent picked up the choker tag, despite being 0/3 in finals...
@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@ACT-Crusader notice they havent picked up the choker tag, despite being 0/3 in finals...
The interesting thing is SA is 3-0 in finals.
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The Economist writing the ABs’ obituary today.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/07/new-zealands-rugby-supremacy-is-over-good
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat yeah i was actually just thinking i should probably do some apologising for being a dick in the lead-up. thought i had got to the point of just laughing off the repeated dumb stuff we're doing but still care a fair bit, i guess.
As us long-suffering Chiefs supporters can’t stop pointing out: now you know why we were all such fluffybunnies (not sure what our excuse is for last decade, mind.)
@Smuts said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat yeah i was actually just thinking i should probably do some apologising for being a dick in the lead-up. thought i had got to the point of just laughing off the repeated dumb stuff we're doing but still care a fair bit, i guess.
As us long-suffering Chiefs supporters can’t stop pointing out: now you know why we were all such fluffybunnies (not sure what our excuse is for last decade, mind.)
Testify brother
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Gooooooo, Christie!
I didn't watch this game, and I hadn't seen the try - more specifically that pretty shitty play by the oke that dives on him when he's over the line.
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Gooooooo, Christie!
I didn't watch this game, and I hadn't seen the try - more specifically that pretty shitty play by the oke that dives on him when he's over the line.
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I feel less enthusiastic about the start of this RWC as any one. Ever. Another thing Fozzie has taken from me. fluffybunny
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I feel less enthusiastic about the start of this RWC as any one. Ever. Another thing Fozzie has taken from me. fluffybunny
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@canefan well just think back to the tough times c 2011-2015 when our top teams were as predictable as the results...people moaned then too.
@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@canefan well just think back to the tough times c 2011-2015 when our top teams were as predictable as the results...people moaned then too.
I've just never felt such a lack of investment as I do now. Maybe I'm just getting older...
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The Economist writing the ABs’ obituary today.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/07/new-zealands-rugby-supremacy-is-over-good
@His-Bobness said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
The Economist writing the ABs’ obituary today.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/07/new-zealands-rugby-supremacy-is-over-good
Cant read it ,
But the Aura is gone type articles, quite often come back to bite the writer on the arse ,
And we havent had one for a while , could be a good omen ( im desperate )
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I feel less enthusiastic about the start of this RWC as any one. Ever. Another thing Fozzie has taken from me. fluffybunny
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I feel less enthusiastic about the start of this RWC as any one. Ever. Another thing Fozzie has taken from me. fluffybunny
If you only watch the WC because you want or expect the ABs to win, I think you should perhaps find something to follow that's not a sport.
I am honestly looking forward to this one more than almost any I can think of.
We got a WC where I honestly have no idea who will win, and though the draw has been f***ed up in my opinion, there will be at least 2 of the top 4 teams in world won't make it past QF stage. I know some want an orderly WC where best couple of teams make final, but I have a feeling there could be chaos in deciding who makes finals, and that is fun to me!
And although I am a one eyed AB supporter, and will be cheering them on at every stage, if they win it or lose it while giving me pleasure, isn't going to effect my life. I am no matter what. The team is the one doing it, not me.
Bit like what @mariner4life talked about with some Crusader's supporters. -
@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@canefan well just think back to the tough times c 2011-2015 when our top teams were as predictable as the results...people moaned then too.
I've just never felt such a lack of investment as I do now. Maybe I'm just getting older...
@canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@canefan well just think back to the tough times c 2011-2015 when our top teams were as predictable as the results...people moaned then too.
I've just never felt such a lack of investment as I do now. Maybe I'm just getting older...
yeah im a bit the same,
partly because i lack confidence in the current side
but also winning 2 in a row after the drought took away some of that anxious we have to win this one feeling
