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RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina

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  • sparkyS Offline
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    Team I’d pick

    Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

    Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

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      Team I’d pick

      Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

      Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

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      @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

      Team I’d pick

      Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

      Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

      Nope, DMac thanks

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        @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

        Team I’d pick

        Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

        Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

        Nope, DMac thanks

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        @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

        @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

        Team I’d pick

        Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

        Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

        Nope, DMac thanks

        I'd cross out LF for ALB too. Just in case we need defensive steel at the end again.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          Team I’d pick

          Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

          Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

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          @sparky

          If they go for a 6/2 ALB is a certainty for the bench. Covers 12/13 well and it's interesting that he was on the wing at times during the last game

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          • M Machpants

            @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

            Team I’d pick

            Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, Retallick, S. Barrett, Frizell, Cane (c), Savea, A.Smith, Mo’unga, Telea, J.Barrett, R. Ioane, Jordan, B.Barrett

            Subs: Coles, Williams, Newell, Whitelock, Vaii, Papalii, Roigard, Leicester F

            Nope, DMac thanks

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            @Machpants I love DMac. If either Richie or BB have a niggle, he’s straight in at 10 or 15. Definitely on standby for this one.

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              Can I ask, without having to read back through the thread, why we're going 6/2? We're not Saffas.

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                @sparky

                If they go for a 6/2 ALB is a certainty for the bench. Covers 12/13 well and it's interesting that he was on the wing at times during the last game

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                @Duluth Against Argentina, I want as much attacking threat out wide as possible. They can close up and leave a gap out there.

                Against England or SA, ALB’s a certainty for the bench.

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                • NepiaN Nepia

                  Can I ask, without having to read back through the thread, why we're going 6/2? We're not Saffas.

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                  @Nepia

                  Two reasons for me:

                  1. Maintains forwards dominance for 80 minutes.

                  2. Means one fewer forward has to play the 80 minutes a week out from a probable final.

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                  • NepiaN Nepia

                    Can I ask, without having to read back through the thread, why we're going 6/2? We're not Saffas.

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                    @Nepia said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                    Can I ask, without having to read back through the thread, why we're going 6/2? We're not Saffas.

                    We've had a 6/2 earlier this year

                    It's just speculation. It might be an option to manage the workload of the pack. If things are going well we can get more of our elderly forwards off. It's only a 6 day turnaround and they had a huge workrate on the weekend

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      @Nepia

                      Two reasons for me:

                      1. Maintains forwards dominance for 80 minutes.

                      2. Means one fewer forward has to play the 80 minutes a week out from a probable final.

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                      @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                      @Nepia

                      Two reasons for me:

                      1. Maintains forwards dominance for 80 minutes.

                      2. Means one fewer forward has to play the 80 minutes a week out from a probable final.

                      Those seem silly reasons to me. We maintained forward dominance for 84 minutes against a superior pack this week. Just throw Ta$man Jesus in there if we want to rest players.

                      Also, you claim above you want as much attacking threat out wide as possible, but a 6/2 heavily reduces that if we have some ill timed injuries or poor form on the day.

                      Anyway, that's just my thoughts on the matter.

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                      • F frugby

                        @nzzp said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                        @frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                        If it is one score, wouldn't be stunned to see Smith go the 80 again.

                        I would

                        He did 70, with a 20 (25?) min break in the middle. I'm sure they are tracking speed, time to ruck etc - if he started to fall off he'd be off. It's smart play... and if that happened, Christie would have been who the Coach's prefer (am NOT saying I agree with it, but also not seeing what they see in training).

                        Sure, but if it is tight and the adrenaline is pumping in a World Cup SF, not sure Smith will tire. He is up there with Beauden is one of our fittest players, and his pass doesn't tend to drop off either. Christie is very much a break glass in case of emergency... the bigger issue is probably the fact they don't think Christie or Weber are close enough to Smith in ability, and there wasn't enough time to get Roigard up to speed.

                        I still wonder whether they should have been almost blind, and shown faith with Fakatava, with the reasoning being he has the 1,2 punch with Smith already, was in the environment last year, and would have been earlier had it not been for injury. In truth, there was never time to get Roigard up to speed, because we only had one proper test (SA) before picking the RWC squad. If it wasn't Fakatava, it probably should have been Weber.

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                        @frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                        Sure, but if it is tight and the adrenaline is pumping in a World Cup SF, not sure Smith will tire.

                        Will a week be long enough to recover for a poss. Final in that case?

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                          Barring injury, I suspect Foster picks the exact same side other than Telea in for LF

                          I'd prefer Roigard, but other than that, I'm agreement with him.

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                            @Windows97 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                            My fear is that we've played our final against Ireland and haven't left anything in the tank for the rest of the RWC.

                            As irrational or rational that fear is.

                            It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA. But I think Arg aren't as good as england were then, and certainly did not have the laser focus that Eddie put on beatings ABs above actually winning the cup. So I think we'll win. But it will be tough

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                            @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                            It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

                            I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

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                              @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                              It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

                              I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

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                              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                              @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                              It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

                              I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

                              You'd hope so, especially after all the talk of the Ire game being the final

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                              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                @Kiwiwomble France crashing our really took away my emotional fallback option.

                                We're the only thing standing in the way of the forces of darkness

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                                @mariner4life Yeah, our greatest rivals winning. Fuck that. The team I take beating with a little soupcon of extra pleasure

                                But seriously, If we get to the final, play our socks off and the Bokke beat us then I'll grudgingly accept it considering the journey we've been on in recent years. Sure, Rassie's a cockwomble but they are a bloody good team, led by a class bloke with minimal whinging.

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                                • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                                  @foobaNZ said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                  @canefan agree. However I think he will pick Roigard lol. Justify his horses for courses call.

                                  Well I hope he does and I think I might spend the next 4 days solidifying this view.
                                  Come on Foz you got this.

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                                  @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                  Come on Foz you got this.

                                  Keep saying that. Worked last time.

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                                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                    @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                    Come on Foz you got this.

                                    Keep saying that. Worked last time.

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                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                    @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                    Come on Foz you got this.

                                    Keep saying that. Worked last time.

                                    Kinda scared not to.

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                                    • voodooV voodoo

                                      Barring injury, I suspect Foster picks the exact same side other than Telea in for LF

                                      I'd prefer Roigard, but other than that, I'm agreement with him.

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                                      @voodoo I'd maybe swap BR and SW about, add Telea and that's about it.

                                      But bench probably more important this week, I know we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves, but if we do get to the final, we will need.some gas.

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                                      • MN5M MN5

                                        @Canes4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                        Roigard, DMac and Blackadder need to be involved. The question is who do we rest?

                                        Maybe keep Frizzell on ice, do we protect A Smith and does BB come off the pine?

                                        My team would be:

                                        1. De Groot
                                        2. Taylor
                                        3. Lomax
                                        4. Barrett
                                        5. Whitelock (keep Rettalick fresher for the final by bringing him off the pine)
                                        6. Blackadder (keep Frizzell fresh for the final)
                                        7. Cane
                                        8. Savea
                                        9. Smith
                                        10. Mo’unga
                                        11. Fainganuku
                                        12. Barrett
                                        13. Ioane
                                        14. Jordan
                                        15. DMac (Beaudy off the pine)
                                        16. Coles
                                        17. Williams
                                        18. Newell
                                        19. Rettalick
                                        20. Papali’i
                                        21. Roigard
                                        22. Barrett
                                        23. Leinert-Brown

                                        Christ, not this shit again.

                                        The ABs managed to win a massive game without him. I for one would be pissed off if they shoehorn him in at anyones expense.

                                        Save this claptrap for when Cane has retired.

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                                        @MN5

                                        I can’t believe that with all of the times we have been tripped up by a less favoured side, we still have people saying we should test players for the final.

                                        Have we learned nothing?😂

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                                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                          @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                          Come on Foz you got this.

                                          Keep saying that. Worked last time.

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                                          @Victor-Meldrew

                                          Verging into broken clock territory with that one!

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