Barnes autobiography
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@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
So, in a nutshell “I’m not saying for one minute there was match fixing, but what if there was”?
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
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Glad to see the back of him. He is an outlier when it comes to AB win % with him as ref versus other refs
@DaGrubster what's the stats for Raynal?
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@DaGrubster what's the stats for Raynal?
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Actually just found it.
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/refereeList.php?teamId=3
64% win rate with Wayne barnes (we would have averaged c.85% in 2007-2023)
25 test matches. Many of these would have been during our most dominant period in history too.
I won’t miss him
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Dunno, I just did that based on the feels. Haven’t managed to find any actual stats yet!
@DaGrubster feels can be deceiving, just ask the moron that wrote off Williams last year.
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@DaGrubster feels can be deceiving, just ask the moron that wrote off Williams last year.
Was that you?!
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First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
It wasn’t the forward pass, it was the rest of the game with a plethora of penalties he didn’t call.
That was the reason for one of the most bizarre officiating performances not seen before (ok, maybe some dodgy saffa refs at home) or since.
It looks as though Henry looked at every possible reason and came up with match fixing before dismissing it. Is that right?
Clearly for Henry to even contemplate that shows the magnitude of Barnes failure.
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@DaGrubster what's the stats for Raynal?
71%
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
basket let down
Well it was pretty heavy with all those gold watches
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It wasn’t the forward pass, it was the rest of the game with a plethora of penalties he didn’t call.
That was the reason for one of the most bizarre officiating performances not seen before (ok, maybe some dodgy saffa refs at home) or since.
It looks as though Henry looked at every possible reason and came up with match fixing before dismissing it. Is that right?
Clearly for Henry to even contemplate that shows the magnitude of Barnes failure.
I get that it wasn't just the forward pass, Barnes' team let him down all round the park that day and I know that they didn't have the same powers or tech they have today but they were still a team. I'm not saying this exonerates Barnes' performance, nor does it exonerate the IRB (was it still them then) that appointed a young up and coming, but still somewhat inexperienced ref to such a high profile game.
As to what Henry said, well one can put whatever slant one wishes on to that but for me, probably better to have not said it. Particularly from a man of his standing.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
basket let down
Well it was pretty heavy with all those gold watches
@Bones said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
basket let down
Well it was pretty heavy with all those gold watches
Bugger me but you're giving me a hard time typo and grammar wise these days.
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I get that it wasn't just the forward pass, Barnes' team let him down all round the park that day and I know that they didn't have the same powers or tech they have today but they were still a team. I'm not saying this exonerates Barnes' performance, nor does it exonerate the IRB (was it still them then) that appointed a young up and coming, but still somewhat inexperienced ref to such a high profile game.
As to what Henry said, well one can put whatever slant one wishes on to that but for me, probably better to have not said it. Particularly from a man of his standing.
Fair enough, of course you could applaud his openness and honesty.
He had a book to sell and of course that was the biggest controversy for the book.
If you look at the stats of that game, they are staggeringly in favour of the All Blacks. So much so you would expect a 30 point win with the dominance.
Anyway, I’m trying to get over the most recent controversy, not bring up one from 16 years ago!
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Stolen from other site. I think this is from Henry’s book
These statistics revealed that the All Blacks had 73 per cent of the territorial advantage, won 166 rucks to 42 and made only 73 tackles compared with 331 (surely the most ever in a Test?) made by France.
From his own analysis of the match, Henry says Barnes missed 40 penalty infringements by France and that if New Zealand had got all the penalties they deserved, the final score would have been 42-3 or 42-6: “The All Blacks didn’t get a penalty for the last 60 minutes of the game and attacked over 70 per cent of that time.”
He had been so ‘stunned’ by the lopsided penalty count that favoured France (he became physically ill watching the video, in fact) that he “briefly contemplated match-fixing as the only logical explanation’ for the All Blacks upset 20-18 loss to France … I have been involved in 140 Test matches and 20 years of coaching at the provincial level or the level above it and years of coaching international rugby and I’ve never been involved in a game that was like this game.”
In the end, he says he asked the NZRU and the IRB “if there was any, any laws or system that they use to look at bizarre games and look at the possibility of sports betting. But apparently they don’t which surprised me.” The IRB refused to have an investigation which Henry says he found to be ‘incomprehensible’.
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Interesting to see Barnes say even all the other refs were stunned into silence when he got 2007 QF. I actually pretty keen on him as a ref anyway, but like any human he has made mistakes in any game he has reffed, as have all players etc. Even the TMO pointed out his mistake in WC final, when he called back Smith try after Barnes had said it was not a knock on and was one.
As for death threats etc he has recieved etc online, they are from fuffybunnies who are in general gutless wonders as is anyone who uses forums to make hate comments etc about any official/player/etc online. Hell's teeth I got9and heard) plenty of threats when I played game etc like, I will take your head of you prick, I will break your leg, I'll kill you if I catch you etc, but never took them over seriously.
