All Blacks 2024
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@Tim excellent development. Someone at HQ is thinking.
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@Victor-Meldrew senior ABs do get a sabbatical. Maybe expand on that to allow them to play overseas for a couple of years and still be available for AB selection, but I wouldn't want to see anything more than that.
It was the idea of grabbing knowledge from overseas which appealed to me. And yeah, don't want us to go down the full Bok route as I think our structure is different and it would be detrimental.
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@Bones perhaps for known quantities; those who are near certs to start and have 50 caps or something like that...
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones perhaps for known quantities; those who are near certs to start and have 50 caps or something like that...
Some sort of set criteria could be really good. Provide an incentive and ensures the more experienced players get to absorb any knowledge and can share ir
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@antipodean I thought you had to have a certain number of caps to get a sabbatical anyway?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean I thought you had to have a certain number of caps to get a sabbatical anyway?
I suspect that you are correct. Since it doesn't seem to happen very often I can't recall a pattern other than NZR believe certain players are worth extending this opportunity to retain them.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean I thought you had to have a certain number of caps to get a sabbatical anyway?
I suspect that you are correct. Since it doesn't seem to happen very often I can't recall a pattern other than NZR believe certain players are worth extending this opportunity to retain them.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@antipodean I thought you had to have a certain number of caps to get a sabbatical anyway?
I suspect that you are correct. Since it doesn't seem to happen very often I can't recall a pattern other than NZR believe certain players are worth extending this opportunity to retain them.
Think it's probably 50/50 as to whether it's been successful at AB level so far too - but probably a lot more valuable lower at lower levels.
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Some interesting and thought-provoking insights from Mr Kitshoff on the benefits of allowing overseas players in the Boks. Makes you wonder if it would benefit the AB's
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think it would work for the ABs, bc:
- The ABs play an uptempo/high octane style while in Europe they play a slower game. Much more suited to SA.
- The European game is great for props and locks mostly. Otoh, Richie Arnold looked good in France and turned out to be awful for the Wallabies.
- Fitness levels will be a problem for the ABs management. For example, even the top league in Europe (France's Top14) has a huge variance in focus on fitness from club to club.
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@Tim What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in? He has been incredible in this type of role across NZ rugby.
Who is the next big brain in NZ? I wonder if Razor will ultimately take on this role once his head coaching days are behind him. WS will be mentoring him, so it isn't inconceivable.
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@Tim What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in? He has been incredible in this type of role across NZ rugby.
Who is the next big brain in NZ? I wonder if Razor will ultimately take on this role once his head coaching days are behind him. WS will be mentoring him, so it isn't inconceivable.
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Posting this here because the All Blacks 2024 thread is locked.
In the podcast (link below) Ruben Love talks about his recent trip over to Australia where he invested $$$ to train with their top sprint coach (guru) Rob Fabri, aswell as staying with one of the most talked about league players of 2023, Joseph Suaalii.
Plenty of people I've talked to about Love say he bounces different in terms of the way he carries himself, the way he trains and the commitment he has to get to the top. This move alone is an example of what he'll do to get to the top. After an injury ravaged 2023, I hope he has a big 2024 and pushes for AB selection. More at 15 than 10 though in my view.
@Canes4life I bloody impressed with Loves work and doing extras mate. That is the kind of commitment I want to see , and now I really on the Love wagon and hope he reaps the rewards. I always say the very good ones are the ones who do all these extras.
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@Tim What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in? He has been incredible in this type of role across NZ rugby.
Who is the next big brain in NZ? I wonder if Razor will ultimately take on this role once his head coaching days are behind him. WS will be mentoring him, so it isn't inconceivable.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in?
They should start looking for his replacement now.
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in?
They should start looking for his replacement now.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in?
They should start looking for his replacement now.
Game changing stuff
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The ABs team I’d like to see in 2024 is
- Pouri Rakete-Stones
- Tyrone Thompson
- Joel Hintz
- Geoff Cridge
- IWL
- MMT
- Josh Kaifa
- Devan Flanders
- Folau Fakatava
- Lincoln McClutchie (captain / coach)
- Jonah Lowe
- Chase Tiatia
- Nick Grigg
- Ollie Sapsford
- Harry Goddfrey
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
The ABs team I’d like to see in 2024 is
- Pouri Rakete-Stones
- Tyrone Thompson
- Joel Hintz
- Geoff Cridge
- IWL
- MMT
- Josh Kaifa
- Devan Flanders
- Folau Fakatava
- Lincoln McClutchie (captain / coach)
- Jonah Lowe
- Chase Tiatia
- Nick Grigg
- Ollie Sapsford
- Harry Goddfrey
I wanted to give it a like but Tiatia? Come on bro.
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@Tim What on Earth are NZR going to do when Wayne really does pack it in? He has been incredible in this type of role across NZ rugby.
Who is the next big brain in NZ? I wonder if Razor will ultimately take on this role once his head coaching days are behind him. WS will be mentoring him, so it isn't inconceivable.
@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith. The best the NZR can do is get Smith to articulate and codify his unconventional approach to problem-solving in rugby (i.e. write a manual or loose framework). This is a difficult thing to do if you didn't think about it at the time (e.g. Now having to articulate how he came up with for example that defensive system that saved the ABs rwc cup campaign all those years ago, etc.). You know, memories fade. The other thing that NZR can do is is give the person or persons they tap to succeed Smith the same freedom (ito of time and space to in innovate) without feeling that one failure means the end.
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@Canes4life I bloody impressed with Loves work and doing extras mate. That is the kind of commitment I want to see , and now I really on the Love wagon and hope he reaps the rewards. I always say the very good ones are the ones who do all these extras.
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Danny, you are mixing metaphors. You are either on the love train or the shaggin wagon
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Danny, you are mixing metaphors. You are either on the love train or the shaggin wagon
::grinning_squinting_face: C.mon Grubs a man's got to mix something
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@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith. The best the NZR can do is get Smith to articulate and codify his unconventional approach to problem-solving in rugby (i.e. write a manual or loose framework). This is a difficult thing to do if you didn't think about it at the time (e.g. Now having to articulate how he came up with for example that defensive system that saved the ABs rwc cup campaign all those years ago, etc.). You know, memories fade. The other thing that NZR can do is is give the person or persons they tap to succeed Smith the same freedom (ito of time and space to in innovate) without feeling that one failure means the end.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders It's virtually impossible to train or mentor someone to be the next Wayne Smith.
I would go so far as to say it is outright impossible. Trying is futile. You can't teach innovation. And real innovators find their own mentors, because they are doing precisely not what was done before.
The most you can do it find the next one and, as you say, accept some failures on the way. That is a big call, and one most large organisations are terrible at.
We know the current "leaders" at NZ Rugby have opted for "safe" every time they have had any real choice.
