All Blacks 2024
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@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones Not coaches. Mentors. Surely you want your greatest players to pass on their knowledge to those coming through? To help them understand the standards required.
This should be done by the AB leadership group, but that has been gutted in recent years, especially with Smith, Retallick, Whitelock leaving after last WC.
The new leadership group is very green, so until it is less green and can truly lead, bring back into the fold some of those who were integral in setting the standards of the greatest era of AB rugby in the professional era. It can only benefit the new crop of the players to know they have the support and backing of certified legends.
I wonder were our golden generation so obsessed and so focused in their careers that post 2015 they couldn’t be arsed seeing a Rugby ball again.
Carter, McCaw, Conrad et al.
Maybe they completely burned themselves out.
McCaw looked relieved to be walking away from the game. There was no hint of a bank account padding sojourn to Japan or France with him.
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Genuine question, it's 2024 why are we even in the comparing Razor and Foster's records, they got nothing to do with each other, Foster was in the 2019-23 threads. They got different teams, play diiferent teams, haven't got same thing going on etc etc. I think we should just look at 2024.
I thought I lived in the past. I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward! -
Genuine question, it's 2024 why are we even in the comparing Razor and Foster's records, they got nothing to do with each other, Foster was in the 2019-23 threads. They got different teams, play diiferent teams, haven't got same thing going on etc etc. I think we should just look at 2024.
I thought I lived in the past. I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!@Dan54 the really easy answer is lots were unhappy with fozzie.....and razor is making several of the same decisions on things like gameplan and selections...ergo....
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Genuine question, it's 2024 why are we even in the comparing Razor and Foster's records, they got nothing to do with each other, Foster was in the 2019-23 threads. They got different teams, play diiferent teams, haven't got same thing going on etc etc. I think we should just look at 2024.
I thought I lived in the past. I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
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the fuck are they going to do? are they suddenly twice the player they were 12 months ago?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
the fuck are they going to do? are they suddenly twice the player they were 12 months ago?
I mean, the downward slide (@nostrildamus ) could be a cunning plan from Razor to get his way and bring back his guys (that all signed overseas contracts as soon as he was announced as coach).
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The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
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The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
Have you been taking funny pills ? Your recent posts are even better than usual !
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
Isn't it NZR's media channel?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
Have you been taking funny pills ? Your recent posts are even better than usual !
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Black Fan motto should be "Together We Wah.."
Have you been taking funny pills ? Your recent posts are even better than usual !
The only way is up.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
that's not exactly 'the media', that is NZR's own channel
then the TOGETHER WE WA.. should finish with 2 different letters..
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
Two of the tries weren’t a result of the defensive system, they were down to player error and poor decision.
I’d say the concerning thing was the poor discipline which was more disappointing because it not only shipped points but it had been pretty good against England and Fiji.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
Two of the tries weren’t a result of the defensive system, they were down to player error and poor decision.
I’d say the concerning thing was the poor discipline which was more disappointing because it not only shipped points but it had been pretty good against England and Fiji.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
Two of the tries weren’t a result of the defensive system, they were down to player error and poor decision.
Is the try off the scrum one? Gone are the days where you could bank on the ABs defending that against a non top 5 nation.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
By the look of that picture. No wonder we are shit. The players must be knackered if that is the area we are walking to….
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
By the look of that picture. No wonder we are shit. The players must be knackered if that is the area we are walking to….
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
By the look of that picture. No wonder we are shit. The players must be knackered if that is the area we are walking to….
I expect this from @nostrildamus , not you
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024:
I look at team and think we haven't had world beating players for a few years now, so we work with what we got. I have lived through these dips with ABs a few times, and only way to keep going is look forward!
What you can look for is exactly what you look for in teams at any level. Some clarity of a game plan. An idea of how to beat the opposition and play to your strengths.
Hell, I'd say a defensive system that doesnt' ship 38 points at home, forwards who take the ball moving forward, chasers who know when kicks are happening and chase the ball, a lineout where jumpers jump to catch it and so on.
If we play to our potential and get beaten so be it. What shits me is poor selections, poor execution and what appear to be poor gameplans. All the while media are thrashwanking about the ABs and how amazing they are.
By the look of that picture. No wonder we are shit. The players must be knackered if that is the area we are walking to….
I expect this from @nostrildamus , not you
Ha! Just Woken up. Sorry
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@Toddy
after 20 years of fun, market forces are finally starting to come into effect
still think NZ his intrinsic advantages over just about every other country
the game played by kids in the backyard is rugby, not soccer football, as by all others
we will always have at least a small edge in individual skills and game instincts
currently this edge is easily negated by the best opponents@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2024:
@Toddy
after 20 years of fun, market forces are finally starting to come into effect
still think NZ his intrinsic advantages over just about every other country
the game played by kids in the backyard is rugby, not soccer football, as by all others
we will always have at least a small edge in individual skills and game instincts
currently this edge is easily negated by the best opponentsThe de-skilling and powering-up of the game will negate any advantage we have from those instincts because those instincts are honed by little kids playing a low contact, high speed, ball in hand game. Those instincts just aren't suited at all to modern test rugby.
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The Boks are incorporating former players who had leadership roles into their coaching structure, e.g. Vermeulen.
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
The Boks are incorporating former players who had leadership roles into their coaching structure, e.g. Vermeulen.
Why are the ABs not doing the same with the likes of Conrad Smith, Whitelock, McCaw and Carter? Surely it would help mentor the new crop and show them what level they need to be at to become the best.
Maybe they're not Razor's mates...?
