All Blacks vs England 2

[Victor Meldrew]

@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:

We took some wrong options, but no-one ever gets them all right. We didn't make many yards with the forwards, but that isn't an error.

Are you suggesting was a deliberate plan not to make many yards with the forwards and this wasn't an error (poor execution in other words)?

Every test has errors because of the pressure they are under, but in the key areas of not dropping ball or dropping tackles we were much improved over the start of the last few years.

I saw little improvement from last year - in the forwards, apart from scrums, we actually seem to have regressed in areas. Kudos to Robertson for bringing BB on and reverting to last years game-plan, though.

Some people on this forum seem to think that not only should the ABs be the best, that they should be perfect too

When we were beaten by the No.1 team in the world, I didn't hear people saying "that's OK we can't be the best all the time" - and rightly so.

Of course we can't be perfect, but I don't expect this sort of dross to be excused on the basis of cherry-picking positives to prove we are getting better when we clearly are treading water at best.

[Victor Meldrew]

@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Why does Scott Barrett do that half-arsed chargedown attempt at every single oppo ruck box-clearance? I don't feel like he's got one since 1993 and it just leaves him late to the next phase

Because he puts 100% into everything. He is the Richie McCaw of this team. Huge motor.

He's been A++ for effort. Handled the captaincy well too.

[BerniesCorner]

@Chris-B Perofeta deserves another start

[Tim]

@Bones Reminds me a bit of MacDonald era Blues attack, including the coach lamenting that they didn't implement or abandoned the game plan. (“We didn’t transfer what we had trained all week onto the field,”)

[Tim]

@Victor-Meldrew No cards!

[BerniesCorner]

Positives:
BB
Paps
Scrum
Goal kicking
Vaai
Perofeta
Ball retention

There's not a lot to moan about

[ACT Crusader]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Positives:
BB
Paps
Scrum
Goal kicking
Vaai
Perofeta
Ball retention

There's not a lot to moan about

Plus a good cameo from Ratima. Something for the kid to build from.

[Victor Meldrew]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris-B Perofeta deserves another start

Agreed.

Start Ratima and Proctor on the bench

[Crazy Horse]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Positives:
BB
Paps
Scrum
Goal kicking
Vaai
Perofeta
Ball retention

There's not a lot to moan about

I would add finding a way to win two close games on the trot against a well prepared side who would have rated their chances big time, and done while they weren't playing as well as they could. Something AB teams of the last few years struggled to do.

[sparky]

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Positives:
BB
Paps
Scrum
Goal kicking
Vaai
Perofeta
Ball retention

There's not a lot to moan about

Negatives:

Lineout
Restarts
Ball Carrying
Kick Defence

[Victor Meldrew]

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Positives:
BB
Paps
Scrum
Goal kicking
Vaai
Perofeta
Ball retention

There's not a lot to moan about

I would add finding a way to win two close games on the trot against a well prepared side who would have rated their chances big time, and done while they weren't playing as well as they could. Something AB teams of the last few years struggled to do.

I'm a bit sceptical the whole mind-set has changed and all those years of struggling to win when not playing well and under pressure have been vanquished after 3 weeks and 2 Tests together.

[DaGrubster]

@nostrildamus

Yup, even though Foz was retained after the SA win he was effectively replaced by Schmidt.

Foz was basically an a mascot by the time the World Cup came round

[Crazy Horse]

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

Positives:
BB
Paps
Scrum
Goal kicking
Vaai
Perofeta
Ball retention

There's not a lot to moan about

I would add finding a way to win two close games on the trot against a well prepared side who would have rated their chances big time, and done while they weren't playing as well as they could. Something AB teams of the last few years struggled to do.

I'm a bit sceptical the whole mind-set has changed and all those years of struggling to win when not playing well and under pressure have been vanquished after 3 weeks and 2 Tests together.

I didn't say anything has been vanquished...

[BerniesCorner]

Restarts will be fixed

[BerniesCorner]

6,8 is a head scratcher.

[BerniesCorner]

Next game see what Sititi and Proctor can do

[Catogrande]

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris-B Perofeta deserves another start

Agreed.

Start Ratima and Proctor on the bench

That ginger 9 was a handbrake on your attack. I’m not sold on Perenera but the snackhead is a good few steps below. The improvement when the sub came on was obvious.

[nostrildamus]

@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:

@Chris-B Perofeta deserves another start

Agreed.

Start Ratima and Proctor on the bench

That ginger 9 was a handbrake on your attack. I’m not sold on Perenera but the snackhead is a good few steps below. The improvement when the sub came on was obvious.

wil you lend us your 9 then? Much appreciated, old chap!

[Winger]

So far Ive watched the first 50 minutes

Perofeta has been poor
Wings only adequate. Overall the back three needs at least 2 but I would prefer changes to all three
Reiko isn't a centre. Time to move on
Christie is only adequate

Taylor is having a poor game

Lineout is shit

[MN5]

@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:

So far Ive watched the first 50 minutes

Perofeta has been poor
Wings only adequate. Overall the back three needs at least 2 but I would prefer changes to all three
Reiko isn't a centre. Time to move on
Christie is only adequate

Taylor is having a poor game

Lineout is shit

Shit, hopefully Beauden Barrett makes a big impact or we’ll be screwed.