All Blacks vs England 2
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Yeah true, seems much easier to break your concentration to turn and look at a shot clock.
I don't see any great aversion to it, it just seems very unnecessary. But I can understand the desire for it when one AB kicker fell foul of timekeeping once, in one game.
I’d say if it was me, I’d want to take a look at the clock at [40]s to make sure I was starting my routine then wouldn’t look again. Guess everyone would be different.
One consequence of a visible shot clock would be unruly and uncouth crowds counting down on every attempt. The English wouldn’t know what to do with themselves!
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
One consequence of a visible shot clock would be unruly and uncouth crowds counting down on every attempt. The English wouldn’t know what to do with themselves!
That's a good point. I can see that becoming a thing. It'll be more fun than booing or whistling.
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Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Genuinely surprised at the aversion to a visible shot clock. If we are worried about time wasting then just shorten the time on the clock. Why wouldn’t we want a single source of truth, visible to all parties? I used to kick, and having a ref in my ear telling me “20 seconds” then “10 seconds” sounds bloody annoying.
Slightly OT: but I’ve been wanting the NBA to have a shot clock for free throws. The whole leave it in the hands of the ref is a bit of a farce because none of the superstars ever get called.
My only issue is that the introduction of a visible clock should only come with a shortening of the allotted time to take the kick. It’s already too long.
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Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway. -
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'd prefer it if there wasn't a visible shot clock. The kickers have plenty of time
Nic Gill was partially to blame as he took far too long getting the tee to DMac.
Back in my day we were heeling the dirt and placing the ball right on the turf. No need for this technology
A small bucket of sand was a major evolutionary advancement.
They reckon Don Clarke use to do toe hackers with bare feet from half way using a leather ball. -
Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway.@Darren said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Seems like good crowd entertainment, and would remove any referee ambiguity, I really can't see any reason not to have it. Kicker does not have to look at it if they don't want to.
Kickers often use the entire time as it is, so I can't see how they could waste more time. Game clock should probably be stopped anyway.Of course the opposition wags in the crowd are going to count down from 60.
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Shot clock = much ado about nothing.
Dmac will unlikely get close to missing one like that again...shot clock or not.
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Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
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I think the team needs to be careful when they say they going for goal too, and tee person needs to be awake. They should make sure tee is pretty close before saying we taking kick I think. Same as conversion, if a team scores a try and stands up, if I was ooposition I would 'accidently' kick the ball further away, and try scorers are going to have to learn no excited throwing the ball away etc.
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Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
from when?
From signalling the shot?
From getting the tee?A minute from the penalty being awarded is not much time if the tee doens't get out quickly - if you want to have a chat about whether to kick for touch or goal, you'll be in trouble.
I'd have no issues with a minute from signalling intent - and it's up to the teams to get tees onto the field (or have one on each side to save 70 m of running!
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Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Interestingly in this case the ref was correct in calling it took too long (1 min 9 secs) and also wrong in that he called 10 seconds, then blew the whistle after 8. That's why you need a shot clock. But IMO 45 seconds is more than enough, 30 for a penalty. Let's get on with it!
Referee Amushekeli awarded the penalty and stood the mark at 77:08 on the match clock. McKenzie indicated he would kick for goal and the referee signalled that a shot would be taken at 77:22. At 77:59 the referee can be heard to say “20 seconds”. At 78:11 he says “ten seconds”. Finally at 78:19, eight seconds after he called ten seconds, with McKenzie about to start his run-up, Amushekeli blew his whistle and called a scrum.
Worth noting that the clock actually stopped when it had hit time up, so while technically it said 78:19, it had definitely been 10 seconds.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Blame the last coaches for not creating depth then.
How do we reckon Hoskins would’ve gone in the tight stuff on Saturday night. He wouldn’t have handled it. That’s why he wasn’t picked.Jesus christ, how do you type this rubbish with two hands around Razors dick?
For one, one of the main coaches from the last lot is still there anyway. But it's not their job to create depth for the next coach. Razor isn't selecting Jacobson and Blackadder for the depth of the next coach.
Secondly, Sotutu would have been as good/bad as any of the loosies that played on the day in the tight stuff. You haven't watched the Blues this year if you think otherwise.
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No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
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@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@JK said in All Blacks vs England 2:
No complaints re shot clock but I think we can expect a few fans chanting it down once in to the final 10, particular for opposition players.
Or having a bit of fun with it by starting a 10 countdown when there is still 20 seconds to go and then letting out a yell to try and throw would be kickers off if they are still trying their approach.
Hah that would get some panic going.
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At a guess, when the English kick penalties or conversions, a good part of the crowd will loudly countdown with the shot clock to pressure him.
@Frank be better than booing....
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@Machpants it is a surprise eh. Usually we got indications early ... clearly a different ship being run?
So hard to hide these days; people see folk running together on teh field, etc ...
