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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    you've got some pretty significant outs.

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    @mariner4life said in NFL 2024:

    you've got some pretty significant outs.

    Not on defence. Other than Greenlaw - who after an Achilles pop in the Super Bowl likely isn't going to be near 100% when he does come back this year.

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    • CyclopsC Cyclops

      @mariner4life

      The bucs were 2-0 and looking like a surprise package there too.

      0-2 rams tip up the 49ers with a slightly absurd come back as well.

      Vikings now 3-0 looking like a handful.

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      @Cyclops said in NFL 2024:

      @mariner4life

      Vikings now 3-0 looking like a handful.

      Vikings tend to be strong more often than not over the years through a regular season (everyone surprised now by Darnold as JJ's replacement kicking ass), but if they somehow maintain this effort, they still have to get through post season, where ALL Vikings teams fail to get to Valhalla

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        I should have learned by now not to get too excited after week 1

        The 49ers look like they are taking a typical regression following a Super Bowl loss. Their defense has huge issues and they don't really have many big names to come back and fix it.

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        @KiwiMurph said in NFL 2024:

        I should have learned by now not to get too excited after week 1

        The 49ers look like they are taking a typical regression following a Super Bowl loss. Their defense has huge issues and they don't really have many big names to come back and fix it.

        I seem to recall we started badly last season and then caught fire. Have faith mate

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          Holy shit the NFL is on fire. Top tier comp - so even, so competitive, so entertaining.

          Aside from some bloody annoying DAZN redzone issues, what a set of upsets again. And two MNF games today - can't beat it!

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            It's only the jags, but the bills have possibly got better without Diggs. I thought Allen was a very good QB but would struggle once the quality around him went down as his cap hits went up, but I was wrong.

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              Allen is a stud

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                Not a single punt in the Bengals-Commanders game! Prime time viewing.

                Bengals now have a massive hill to climb. I'd say they're good enough to do it but they've dropped two games that should have been easy wins, so I don't see how you can have any confidence that they'll get things done in any other game an their schedule.

                Next up they're off to play the Panthers, and their old friend Andy Dalton. Again, should be an easy win, so I wonder how they'll stuff this one up.

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                • CyclopsC Cyclops

                  Not a single punt in the Bengals-Commanders game! Prime time viewing.

                  Bengals now have a massive hill to climb. I'd say they're good enough to do it but they've dropped two games that should have been easy wins, so I don't see how you can have any confidence that they'll get things done in any other game an their schedule.

                  Next up they're off to play the Panthers, and their old friend Andy Dalton. Again, should be an easy win, so I wonder how they'll stuff this one up.

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                  @Cyclops their defence got no pressure at all. They will get wrecked until they fix that.

                  Burrow was very good I thought

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    Allen is a stud

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                    @mariner4life

                    Yeah

                    Love josh allen

                    Usually hate QBs

                    Live to see a pocket passing QB getting cut in half by a D lineman . . . and get loaded on the cart . . . beautiful thing

                    But allen not only runs the ball . . . he hits it up . . . and drops his shoulder! . . . takes the hit and then trash talks the defence

                    love it

                    actually lol with some of his moves

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                      notice a few "rugby passes" (what the seppos call them) creeping into the NFL

                      Amon Ra (Detroit) caught a QB pass then did a lateral to another player who crossed for the TD

                      Travis Kelce seems to be looking to try this move whenever he has the ball now too

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                        The hook and ladder has been around a while, but definitely getting more common as a way to break up defensive patterns.

                        Will Levis had a crack at an offload and it was a disaster.

                        One of the issues with creativity in the NFL is that if you lose doing a 'conventional' thing you generally get forgotten and the league moves on. If you try something and it goes wrong then it ends up being repeated for weeks and the media dine out and owners hate a loser, but hate looking foolish even more (as a general rule). Takes a combination of a creative, aggressive coach in a situation where they feel their job is safe to really go for it.

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                        • CyclopsC Cyclops

                          The hook and ladder has been around a while, but definitely getting more common as a way to break up defensive patterns.

                          Will Levis had a crack at an offload and it was a disaster.

                          One of the issues with creativity in the NFL is that if you lose doing a 'conventional' thing you generally get forgotten and the league moves on. If you try something and it goes wrong then it ends up being repeated for weeks and the media dine out and owners hate a loser, but hate looking foolish even more (as a general rule). Takes a combination of a creative, aggressive coach in a situation where they feel their job is safe to really go for it.

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                          @Cyclops said in NFL 2024:

                          Takes a combination of a creative, aggressive coach in a situation where they feel their job is safe to really go for it.

                          Dan Campbell 😄

                          Went with a fake punt on his 10. Ridiculous.

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                            Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

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                            • CyclopsC Cyclops

                              Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

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                              nzzp
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                              @Cyclops said in NFL 2024:

                              Yeah Dan Campbell is great.

                              I'd run through a brick wall for him. You can see how the players like playing for him.

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                              • M mohikamo

                                @mariner4life

                                Yeah

                                Love josh allen

                                Usually hate QBs

                                Live to see a pocket passing QB getting cut in half by a D lineman . . . and get loaded on the cart . . . beautiful thing

                                But allen not only runs the ball . . . he hits it up . . . and drops his shoulder! . . . takes the hit and then trash talks the defence

                                love it

                                actually lol with some of his moves

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                                Kruse
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                                #75

                                @mohikamo said in NFL 2024:

                                Usually hate QBs

                                Another newbie comment - but I think I know where you're coming from.
                                Of the two games I watched this weekend... the QB would take a run, let his mate take/give a hit on a defender, to give him extra space, and the QB ran straight into "touch", so that he wouldn't get hit.
                                Another play - the bitch just dropping to the ground like Will Jordan so that he wouldn't get tackled, rather than gain another yard and get touched by the big bad oppo.
                                I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

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                                • KruseK Kruse

                                  @mohikamo said in NFL 2024:

                                  Usually hate QBs

                                  Another newbie comment - but I think I know where you're coming from.
                                  Of the two games I watched this weekend... the QB would take a run, let his mate take/give a hit on a defender, to give him extra space, and the QB ran straight into "touch", so that he wouldn't get hit.
                                  Another play - the bitch just dropping to the ground like Will Jordan so that he wouldn't get tackled, rather than gain another yard and get touched by the big bad oppo.
                                  I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

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                                  @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                  I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

                                  top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

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                                    @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

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                                    • nzzpN nzzp

                                      @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                      I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

                                      top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

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                                      @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                      @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                      I'm assuming that's standard procedure?

                                      top tier quarterbacks are utterly rare. If you get one, you hold them. So yeah, they get told to make business decisions and stay away from the elite nasty people trying to kill them

                                      Yeah - went into the rabbit-hole of the "Saints Bounty Scandal" a couple days back, and it did give me the context where I kinda thought "hmmm... kinda understand that".

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                                      • nzzpN nzzp

                                        @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

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                                        @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                        @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                        And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

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                                        • KruseK Kruse

                                          @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                          @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                          And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

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                                          @Kruse said in NFL 2024:

                                          @nzzp said in NFL 2024:

                                          @Kruse they also take up 15-20% of your salary cap. They are the single most important position on the field. QB economics are borked ... you have to swing and accept you'll probably miss in the draft - but if you don't, you won't win.

                                          And yeah - having watched a couple of games... also realised how absolutely critical that one position is. And thought... "That's fucked".

                                          single hardest position in sport.

                                          You have to read the field, sense the pressure, throw the ball - all in about 2 seconds or so. And it's incredibly hard to predict who will do that well. And you need the right coordinators around you, and the right Oline, and good receivers, and so on ... it's incredibly tough.

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