All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Aumua's had 4 test starts.
The others are all playing in this game.
Maybe we should have picked Eddie Jones and Mark the Hammer as our coaches - these were guys who knew how to have a good cleanout!
Doesn't make Aumua a newbie. He's been in the environment for years and what comes off the bench these days is just as important as the guys starting. Yes, the others are playing this game, more due to being injury enforced than anything else, and as we saw against the boks, the may not even get used.
Well yeah, not saying pick those guys for one second, but some guys could be moved on.
@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
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Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Form
in SRseems totally irrelevant now.Fixed it. A lot of these guys have been crap for ABs, but the same shit of selecting experience rather than a bit more on form.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Yet another conservtive selection in I guess what is pitched as a "must win" game.
Form in SR seems totally irrelevant now.
Same issue of "favourites" being picked and others playing out of position to accommodate, especially in the loose forward trio.
At this rate we won't get any new talent in the team until someone retires or is hideously injured.
Which is exactly what people used to constantly criticise Foster for.
Razor is Foster-lite
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Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Do we think Sam Cane gets his 99th on Saturday, 100th the following week and then misses EOYT?
Reckon they'll stick with him and look for new 7 the next couple of years. Dunno who though.
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I like the team Schmidt has chosen. It's close to our strongest so far.
I don't think we will win but I wouldn't underestimate this team either. They are solid at set piece, a bit limited around the ground but they will give a good account of themselves.
I'll tip the ABs by 15 but it might be close at HT and I'd look at the odds of a Wallabies/All Blacks HT/FT double if you are that way inclined.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Let's face it most people are lighter than Foz
Yeah, that was my scalpel like witty point
@Machpants too incisive for me
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Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.Without speculation this thread would only be 36 posts long by now not 360
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@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
Razor was always going to have to bring newbies in after the mass migration from post WC. I guess with all the hype of how great a coach he is he has had to try and balance getting the wins for us the public versus trying new things and players with a view to start building for 2027
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@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.Without speculation this thread would only be 36 posts long by now not 360
@Nevorian said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have heard unconfirmed rumours on Love Rieko DMac and Hotham this week (2 with injuries) . But the silence from official sources is deafening.
NRL is superior in generating interest in so many ways. AB fans are just left with speculation to chew on.Without speculation this thread would only be 36 posts long by now not 360
Or 3,600 - with conversation.
Although - to be fair... I don't really give a shit. 'tis what it is, and the only place I ever get news is TSF, I think I actually prefer the quiet. I'm not sure I'd like constant instagram screenshots and comments on them. -
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
https://tenor.com/en-NZ/search/it-is-funny-because-it-is-true-gifs
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
https://tenor.com/en-NZ/search/it-is-funny-because-it-is-true-gifs
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Pretty funny they don't even bother listing EB as injured now. Only worth listing if he's not.
@canefan glassadder? mousebladder? backstabber(ing) pain?
Is it time to make the man a subject of national medical research interests?
"I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms, at night I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep."
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@African-Monkey Lets agree that Aumua isn't an experienced test player.
There's still four guys who've debuted this year in the 23. That seems like enough to me.
Hansen spent years telling us how valuable experience is - and was very successful with that mantra. He failed at the end when he went away from it at RWC2019. I tend to agree with him
I don't think there's any great need to rush guys like Procter, Finau, Hotham and especially Bell into the team.
If we win this one, as reprobate says, maybe ease two or three of them into the return fixture.
The main thing IMO is to win!
Razor was always going to have to bring newbies in after the mass migration from post WC. I guess with all the hype of how great a coach he is he has had to try and balance getting the wins for us the public versus trying new things and players with a view to start building for 2027
@Nevorian Yeah. By the very demand that we win every test, we limit the amount that the coach is prepared to experiment. Part of the reason why I reckon it would be great to revert to the old time tours of the 70s and prior.
Fozzie had the same problem - especially in 2022 when the guillotine was hovering!
I've written previously about the implications of the exodus post RWC - Whitelock, Retallick, Coles, Nepo, Smith, Moúnga, Frizell, Fainga'anuku (right now, Big Leicester might be quite handy) and probably a few others I'm already forgetting.
But, when we're thinking about our lack of bench impact in SA - we still were missing de Groot, Taukei'aho, Tuipolotu, Papali'i,/Blackadder, Roigard and Clarke.
We're a bit thin this year - but, I'm not panicking. I thought we might drop one against England, I was disappointed to lose one vs the Argies. It would have been a pleasant surprise to win one vs SA, but as things turned out I'm disappointed we didn't sneak one, when we could and probably should've.
Can't afford to drop one vs Oz to get a pass on the year.
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@Kirwan like when a superior ABs team smashed the French twice in France in 2006, then proceeded to lose against the same team in the QF in 2007?
Or when a superior ABs beat a France team without a coach comfortably in the pool stages, then squeaked home in the final (albeit without Carter)?
Or when the ABs squeaked home against Ireland one week, then smashed them by 60 the next week?
Maybe the Ozzies will play well at home, with home support, and emotion will keep them in the game. Rugby is a funny old game. There is no given. no matter how good your team is. Especially if you go into it expecting to win. That is normally when egg hits the face and monumental upsets happen
