All Blacks 2025
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I do think Havili is underrated and with a game plan that accounted for his strengths, could be a good international player. If you're going to insist on using him as a battering ram then you're going to have a bad time.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
I do think Havili is underrated and with a game plan that accounted for his strengths, could be a good international player. If you're going to insist on using him as a battering ram then you're going to have a bad time.
There’s two tests vs the Boks and Wallabies where I thought the patterns we ran suited his strengths - a wider channel and not as flat. He still carted ball up into traffic and actually made metres but it was when we spread a little wider that he was able to have more positive impact.
I still think they will go for Jordie
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What does it take for a player to finally get the recognition he deserves—raw talent, relentless consistency, or just the right coach watching at the right time? David Havili might be the All Blacks’ most underrated weapon, and it’s a veteran Wallaby, of all people, sounding the alarm. James O’Connor has played alongside rugby’s elite, but when asked about Havili, he didn’t hesitate: “One of the best I’ve played with.” That’s not praise tossed around lightly, especially not ahead of a blockbuster Super Rugby semi-final.
Havili’s 2025 season reads like a captain’s masterclass. Since taking over the Crusaders’ armband from Scott Barrett, he hasn’t missed a beat—or a start. His leadership and midfield command helped drag the Crusaders from last year’s stumbles back into title contention. And yet, while other names swirl in All Blacks debates—Jordie Barrett, Quinn Tupaea, Timoci Tavatavanawai—Havili remains curiously left out of the headline conversations. Not for O’Connor. Not for Justin Marshall. And definitely not for those watching closely.
His vision, his crisp distribution under pressure, his calm in chaos—these are the traits of a world-class No. 12. And with the Blues looming this Friday in Christchurch, it’s the perfect stage for Havili to force the selectors’ hands. He’s not just in form. He’s leading from the front, starting in every game, making a case not with talk, but with performances.
There’s a quiet fire in David Havili. And if the All Blacks blink, they might just miss out on a centre who’s been doing it all right—just without the fanfare.
#DavidHavili #AllBlacks #SuperRugbyPacific #Crusaders #RugbyChampionship #RugbyUnion #HaviliFor12
Stolen from Facebook, couldn’t have put it better myself
The elephant in the room is how much better Scooter has gone since handing over the captaincy
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With alb out , I can’t see how havilli misses out on squad selection considering he has had a good SR season and was already a razor favourite.
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With alb out , I can’t see how havilli misses out on squad selection considering he has had a good SR season and was already a razor favourite.
He played in 3 tests at the end of last year including the last test. He's basically a 23 incumbent.
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I'd still like to see what Lam could do.
@nostrildamus especially if they are gonna run BB at 10, combinations are important
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BB? Behind DMac one presumes, but holding on with his fingernails to backup 10?
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@nostrildamus especially if they are gonna run BB at 10, combinations are important
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I'm juatbsaying I think the coaches still see BB as an option, but maybe they will change the way they use Lam in black...not holding my breath, but that's my thinking...
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Beauden showed last night that the chip kicks form last week were just the usual 'every so often it comes off'. His kicking was rubbish. He did utilise a 3 on 2 for the try in the corner, but that's the sort of thing you'd congratulate a schoolboy 10 for, not a fucking all black.
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I think one of the reasons why the Blues struggled to get ascendancy last night is because BB failed to make use of Lam enough.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
I think one of the reasons why the Blues struggled to get ascendancy last night is because BB failed to make use of Lam enough.
His pop gun kick game was glaringly obvious when you compared him to Sullivan and Reihana. He couldn't get the Blues out of danger consistently enough and the Crusaders took advantage
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Is there enough room for Lam? Without anymore injuries the midfield 4 will be Jordie Havili Rieko and Proctor
Clarke Reece and Jordan are certainties out wide - Love will get the 10/15 role.
I presume someone like a Carter will make it and/or a Narawa.
Lam with his ability to cover midfield and wing should see himself in the squad but there's also big Jim, Fihaki (lol) etc.
Personally i'd think about giving Clarke a bit of a rocket and leaving him out of the French series which would open up an extra spot to take a look at some of these other options.
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Is there enough room for Lam? Without anymore injuries the midfield 4 will be Jordie Havili Rieko and Proctor
Clarke Reece and Jordan are certainties out wide - Love will get the 10/15 role.
I presume someone like a Carter will make it and/or a Narawa.
Lam with his ability to cover midfield and wing should see himself in the squad but there's also big Jim, Fihaki (lol) etc.
Personally i'd think about giving Clarke a bit of a rocket and leaving him out of the French series which would open up an extra spot to take a look at some of these other options.
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@KiwiMurph I think Narawa is a certainty.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph I think Narawa is a certainty.
Is he signing for Canterbury?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph I think Narawa is a certainty.
Is he signing for Canterbury?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph I think Narawa is a certainty.
Is he signing for Canterbury?
The oil is good
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Clarke a very odd one - hasn’t scored a try in SR, wouldn’t be many starting wingers who have achieved that feat.
@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Clarke a very odd one - hasn’t scored a try in SR, wouldn’t be many starting wingers who have achieved that feat.
Has he just not had much opportunity? Blues were poor early in the season. Ran hard and used EB as a judder bar last night
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@zedsdeadbaby said in All Blacks 2025:
Clarke a very odd one - hasn’t scored a try in SR, wouldn’t be many starting wingers who have achieved that feat.
Has he just not had much opportunity? Blues were poor early in the season. Ran hard and used EB as a judder bar last night
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@canefan I feel Clarke has been a bit sloppy most of the season, watching on and off the ball. Was much better last season. Maybe the issue is his connection with the midfielders?
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan I feel Clarke has been a bit sloppy most of the season, watching on and off the ball. Was much better last season. Maybe the issue is his connection with the midfielders?
He's not as switched on. This year the Blues wings didn't look for work as much.
