All Blacks 2025
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Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
Henry told him that in the interview. He should have gone to experience a different environment instead of more Canterbury
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Every All black coach up to 2004 had zero experience as an international head coach.
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The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Not that he's perfect mind you - but serious question marks continue to emerge on the rest, including Razor.
Tomorrow will tell a lot. I'm hopeful but no confident.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Every All black coach up to 2004 had zero experience as an international head coach.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Every All black coach up to 2004 had zero experience as an international head coach.
i'm talking more about the selection process.
And don't forget every AB coach from 2007 had Test experience. We won 2 RWCs and came within a gnats todger of winning 3rd.
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The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Not that he's perfect mind you - but serious question marks continue to emerge on the rest, including Razor.
Tomorrow will tell a lot. I'm hopeful but no confident.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Definitely a success, though there were some appalling forwards performances early on.
I think there's a few lessons there - It takes time to build a team & experience and continuity helps.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Definitely a success, though there were some appalling forwards performances early on.
I think there's a few lessons there - It takes time to build a team & experience and continuity helps.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Definitely a success, though there were some appalling forwards performances early on.
I think there's a few lessons there - It takes time to build a team & experience and continuity helps.
You also need the right people in the roles to begin with. I question whether that is the case with much of the current set up.
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Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
I know someone in that category, and if the NZR rates them it makes sure they are aware of AB planning.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
Kirk is an experienced and pragmatic businessman.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
Kirk is an experienced and pragmatic businessman.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
Kirk is an experienced and pragmatic businessman.
Yeah, that's positive.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
Kirk is an experienced and pragmatic businessman.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
Kirk is an experienced and pragmatic businessman.
He was outspoken and against the Silverlake investment -
Aside from perhaps Ryan, there's doesn't appear to be much mongrel or hard edge in the coaching group.
Joe Schmidt is no old school Jamie Joseph but he seems very down to earth and technically focused.
I've said it once already, but the way Scott Hansen comes across in interviews does not fill with confidence at all.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2025:
Aside from perhaps Ryan, there's doesn't appear to be much mongrel or hard edge in the coaching group.
Joe Schmidt is no old school Jamie Joseph but he seems very down to earth and technically focused.
I've said it once already, but the way Scott Hansen comes across in interviews does not fill with confidence all.
That lad is a spoofer.
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Today is a big day for Razor , feels like a crossroads moment in his career.
It’s got a wc final feel to it for a coach .
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Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though. -
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
Don't know Grubs, I think opposite. Henry, Hansen, SchmidtW Smith, JJ are examples that have gone and come back just lately, oh and Johnno Gibbes. I think astute coaches go overseas to broaden their experience.
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Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2025:
Mmm... here is an alternative view. Every team with BB at the helm or at an influencial position of running the cutter has had the "headless chook" syndrome. Canes, Foster's reign, Blues including Cotter's Blues, and now Razor's reign . Great player and AB, but bugger me, seems to have an effect on structure and composure. He is the only constant in the "problem". Discuss.
. It is on Razor that he keeps picking him at 10, though.I would definitely subscribe to this thesis.
Honestly a geriatric Sexton would do a better job.
This team is not well marshalled.
We either need to hand Roigard the keys and play off 9 ala France, or give DMAC/Love an extended run.
Or even get Reihana/Jacomb in and around the squad with a view to the future.
We have watched Beaudy for 138 games in black. We all know what we are going to be served up.
Its chaos ball.
