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All Blacks 2025

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    Jet
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    #6404

    Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.

    Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.

    "Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".

    "the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".

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    • J Jet

      Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.

      Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.

      "Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".

      "the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".

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      Bones
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      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

      the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players

      This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.

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      • BonesB Bones

        @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

        the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players

        This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.

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        @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

        @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

        the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players

        This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.

        It's almost as if they are inviting the tackle to tie in opposition players and open up space behind the defence which can be exploited by a chip kick.

        Oh, hang on...

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        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

          the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players

          This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.

          It's almost as if they are inviting the tackle to tie in opposition players and open up space behind the defence which can be exploited by a chip kick.

          Oh, hang on...

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          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

          @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

          the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players

          This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.

          It's almost as if they are inviting the tackle to tie in opposition players and open up space behind the defence which can be exploited by a chip kick.

          Oh, hang on...

          Relying on that superior fitness to be able to run twice as far as any other team. We do broncos, so...

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          • BonesB Bones

            @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

            the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players

            This is the absolute worst part of any of our attacking play. Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still, even when it goes 2 or 3 out. What what why? Where are the players in motion? It's about the worst way to beat most defences and especially the rush.

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            @Bones said in All Blacks 2025:

            Ball is constantly distributed to deep players standing still

            Lack of respect for the gain line . . . IN A TEST MATCH AGAINST THE SPRINGBOKS IN 2025!!!!
            What do we call that?
            Must be arrogance, or naievity, or is it stupidity?

            Stuck in a time warp; tryin to get away with playing like they did ten years ago.
            When all the other teams have made the correct adjustments in the meantime.

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            • R reprobate

              He's gotta be the hero, thats why god gave him deez mad skillz.
              Being mates off the field is fine. Parading it on social media after a record flogging is not.

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              @reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:

              He's gotta be the hero, thats why god gave him deez mad skillz.
              Being mates off the field is fine. Parading it on social media after a record flogging is not.

              I don't see how that's relevant to why the defence was so shite, why the playmakers couldnt make shite, and the lineout fell apart.

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              • TimT Tim

                NZ is a small country, and people talk, a lot. It is also a very mediocre country, mostly run by low potential people. Not quite a Kakistocracy, but getting there. Anyway, the rumours are flying, but some of them are good.

                Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor. The forgotten backs coach is fed up with Robertson, and has been shut out.

                Perhaps of most interest for us posters is that the coaches regard DMac as an idiot who cannot follow instructions, and think that Bueaden Barrett's kicking game is excellent, and if you do not appreciate it, then you do not understand rugby.

                Make of that what you will.

                I would not say that it bodes well.

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                Frank
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                #6410

                @Tim said in All Blacks 2025:

                Scott Hansen is not rated by many of the players, and his communication is poor.

                Fuckin called it from the 1st time I saw him interviewed.
                Being a guy that falls for the hype quite often, the fact that even I thought he came across as a cock is quite telling.

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                  I don't care anymore. Two years of the media blowing Razor, culminating in our worst loss ever. No discernible progress and a seeming drop in our core skills. The problem with the team is much like NZ itself, woke and insular with a distinct lack of brainpower and mongrel in the coaching group, players and even media. It's a giant PR exercise with everyone sucking each other off.

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                  • F Frank

                    I don't care anymore. Two years of the media blowing Razor, culminating in our worst loss ever. No discernible progress and a seeming drop in our core skills. The problem with the team is much like NZ itself, woke and insular with a distinct lack of brainpower and mongrel in the coaching group, players and even media. It's a giant PR exercise with everyone sucking each other off.

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                    #6412

                    @Frank My feelings are similar.

                    I'll catch up with the highlights of the Bledisloe Cup game afterward, but I am not going to waste any real time or energy with the All Blacks this week. I feel utterly betrayed by the pathetic ragbag they've become. They are All Blacks in name only as far as I'm concerned.

                    I'd obviously still prefer the ABs to win, but I won't be too bothered if we lose the Eden Park record or even the Bledisloe Cup. It will hasten the demise of those clearly not up to the job in terms of brains and ruthlessness.

                    Our Captain, First Five, Head Coach, his Assistants and our CEO all need to go and the sooner the better.

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                      Absolutely.
                      There's no redeeming this team until the coaching group and certain senior players are gone.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        @Frank My feelings are similar.

                        I'll catch up with the highlights of the Bledisloe Cup game afterward, but I am not going to waste any real time or energy with the All Blacks this week. I feel utterly betrayed by the pathetic ragbag they've become. They are All Blacks in name only as far as I'm concerned.

                        I'd obviously still prefer the ABs to win, but I won't be too bothered if we lose the Eden Park record or even the Bledisloe Cup. It will hasten the demise of those clearly not up to the job in terms of brains and ruthlessness.

                        Our Captain, First Five, Head Coach, his Assistants and our CEO all need to go and the sooner the better.

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                        mariner4life
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                        #6414

                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                        @Frank My feelings are similar.

                        I'll catch up with the highlights of the Bledisloe Cup game afterward, but I am not going to waste any real time or energy with the All Blacks this week. I feel utterly betrayed by the pathetic ragbag they've become. They are All Blacks in name only as far as I'm concerned.

                        I'd obviously still prefer the ABs to win, but I won't be too bothered if we lose the Eden Park record or even the Bledisloe Cup. It will hasten the demise of those clearly not up to the job in terms of brains and ruthlessness.

                        Our Captain, First Five, Head Coach, his Assistants and our CEO all need to go and the sooner the better.

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                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                          @Frank My feelings are similar.

                          I'll catch up with the highlights of the Bledisloe Cup game afterward, but I am not going to waste any real time or energy with the All Blacks this week. I feel utterly betrayed by the pathetic ragbag they've become. They are All Blacks in name only as far as I'm concerned.

                          I'd obviously still prefer the ABs to win, but I won't be too bothered if we lose the Eden Park record or even the Bledisloe Cup. It will hasten the demise of those clearly not up to the job in terms of brains and ruthlessness.

                          Our Captain, First Five, Head Coach, his Assistants and our CEO all need to go and the sooner the better.

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                          @mariner4life I’ll never forget that call. Good ol Mario from Doncaster. There are a few funny regular callers on Melbs sports talkback.

                          That massive 100+ point loss to the Swans was the year before the Tigers won the flag. It can turnaround….

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                            mariner4life
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                            No listen, no listen...

                            Its the ultimate nuffie call. Sparky is hitting those nuffie areas

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                            • J Jet

                              Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.

                              Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.

                              "Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".

                              "the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".

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                              antipodean
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                              @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                              Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.

                              Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.

                              "Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".

                              "the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".

                              Holy fuck. Apparently I should be an international coach since I keep pointing out this shit.

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                                sparky
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                                #6418

                                And to make things worse, the self-appointed hard men and the self-appointed funny men of the internet don't like some of us saying what we think on here.

                                Peace and love, everyone. Enjoy Bledisloe week and see you on the other side.

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                                • F Frank

                                  I don't care anymore. Two years of the media blowing Razor, culminating in our worst loss ever. No discernible progress and a seeming drop in our core skills. The problem with the team is much like NZ itself, woke and insular with a distinct lack of brainpower and mongrel in the coaching group, players and even media. It's a giant PR exercise with everyone sucking each other off.

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                                  @Frank said in All Blacks 2025:

                                  I don't care anymore. Two years of the media blowing Razor, culminating in our worst loss ever. No discernible progress and a seeming drop in our core skills. The problem with the team is much like NZ itself, woke and insular with a distinct lack of brainpower and mongrel in the coaching group, players and even media. It's a giant PR exercise with everyone sucking each other off.

                                  I felt a bit like this after 2007…..then the ABs were good enough to win a couple of WCs in a row which helped matters. Foster did his darndest in 2023, let’s see how the much maligned Razor goes in 2027 ( given its 100% guaranteed he’ll be there )

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                                  • sparkyS sparky

                                    And to make things worse, the self-appointed hard men and the self-appointed funny men of the internet don't like some of us saying what we think on here.

                                    Peace and love, everyone. Enjoy Bledisloe week and see you on the other side.

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                                    mariner4life
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                                    @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                    And to make things worse, the self-appointed hard men and the self-appointed funny men of the internet don't like some of us saying what we think on here.

                                    Peace and love, everyone. Enjoy Bledisloe week and see you on the other side.

                                    I must have called a thousand tiiimes

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                                    • antipodeanA antipodean

                                      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.

                                      Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.

                                      "Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".

                                      "the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".

                                      Holy fuck. Apparently I should be an international coach since I keep pointing out this shit.

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                                      Jet
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                                      #6421

                                      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      @Jet said in All Blacks 2025:

                                      Some good insights from Eddie Jones and Ewan McKenzie on where we are going wrong.

                                      Interesting analysis from people who dont have skin in the NZ game.

                                      "Barrett seems loathe to take the ball as a first receiver".

                                      "the ball out the back in phase play is going to static players".

                                      Holy fuck. Apparently I should be an international coach since I keep pointing out this shit.

                                      Not the only thing you have in common with Eddie.......:face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                        @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing

                                        Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .

                                        Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.

                                        Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.

                                        It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.

                                        Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby

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                                        @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        @jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:

                                        Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing

                                        Nothing against ardie but I personally don’t like him saying stuff like , end of the day it’s just a game , after a loss .

                                        Maybe I’m a grumpy old dinosaur but That’s not the attitude our legacy was built on.

                                        Actually, it IS the attitude our legacy was built on.

                                        It's been common practice for AB coaches, captains and players to form close, friendships during series or tours - particularly true of NZ/SA rugby. Sam Cane stayed with a a number of Boks after he hurt his neck. Goes way back to 1928.

                                        Give me that legacy of post-match camaraderie rather than the sort of stuff we saw from Sexton & co. Keep that sort of shit in soccer - it has no place in Rugby

                                        I was actually referring to him saying end of the day it’s just a game about the World Cup final.

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                                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Frank My feelings are similar.

                                          I'll catch up with the highlights of the Bledisloe Cup game afterward, but I am not going to waste any real time or energy with the All Blacks this week. I feel utterly betrayed by the pathetic ragbag they've become. They are All Blacks in name only as far as I'm concerned.

                                          I'd obviously still prefer the ABs to win, but I won't be too bothered if we lose the Eden Park record or even the Bledisloe Cup. It will hasten the demise of those clearly not up to the job in terms of brains and ruthlessness.

                                          Our Captain, First Five, Head Coach, his Assistants and our CEO all need to go and the sooner the better.

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                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2025:

                                          @Frank My feelings are similar.

                                          I'll catch up with the highlights of the Bledisloe Cup game afterward, but I am not going to waste any real time or energy with the All Blacks this week. I feel utterly betrayed by the pathetic ragbag they've become. They are All Blacks in name only as far as I'm concerned.

                                          I'd obviously still prefer the ABs to win, but I won't be too bothered if we lose the Eden Park record or even the Bledisloe Cup. It will hasten the demise of those clearly not up to the job in terms of brains and ruthlessness.

                                          Our Captain, First Five, Head Coach, his Assistants and our CEO all need to go and the sooner the better.

                                          As funny as that was , mario was a Melbourne supporter taking the piss

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