All Blacks 2025
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?Jesus.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.So he's basically a grifter?
A million bucks a year or whatever to bring in a culture of giving up at halftime and alienate some of the best players in the country.
Career progression is the best there.
Now you’ve made it you’ve the top of the most prestigious team in the world, which country would you like to turn out for next?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@reprobate seeing him and BB flounder this year makes you wonder if both have just been given free reign to do what they want and play what see, rather than a plan that everyone plays.
Razors instructions to Ardie "Hey mate, just do all that good shit you did for MP okay?"
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.So he's basically a grifter?
A million bucks a year or whatever to bring in a culture of giving up at halftime and alienate some of the best players in the country.
Career progression is the best there.
Now you’ve made it you’ve the top of the most prestigious team in the world, which country would you like to turn out for next?
He's the Jacinda Ardern of world rugby. All he needs now is to ask people to be kind
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I've come to view that Robertson is lazy and picks up a big salary for a few motivational talks and doing press conferences.
Scott Hansen is inflexible and can't adapt his selections, his game plan or his coaching to reality.
Both need to go!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
You look at that fucking pukey video they did on him around the Mt when he got the job and you just want to see people fired inside and outside NZRU.
The fanboy wankfest of that made me want to spew.
Utterly embarrassing and indirectly very insulting to Ian Foster.
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Clearly the appointment process needs another revamp.
Obviously did so when Henry was reappointed.
Then shows cracks when Foster was appointed, and then Razor, who on the surface deserved his shot.
What id like to know, in the process, what did he sell them on?
His farm metaphors? Building depth? What his idea of culture would look like?
Was it this is the team i want to work with, and only them?Or were they just dazzled by his success that all but demanded the job?
Were there KPIs, based on, you know, success? Win/loss? TRCs, Bledisloe?
They surely learnt when they had buggar all measures in place for Fozzie, why didnt they have some strict ones for Razor, that could see him done if he didnt meet them at Yr 1 or 2?
This is meant to be an elite professional organisation, with arguably one of the most winning cultures in all of sport, but we dont have the coaches role tied to winning?
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2025:
they don’t believe the high-performance system is operating at best-practice levels
I've been thinking that for quite a while.
Been lurking on this forum for probably 2 decades; never felt the need to make a comment until the last few seasons, when it has become clear and obvious to me that elite NZ rugby has begun a slow slide, heading towards mediocrity.
I've mentioned more than once that we should be looking past the likes of Robertson and the national coaching set-up for the origin of the malaise into which high-performance rugby in NZ has been slipping.
Not just the seniors, but all the Black teams; U18s, and the ladies, all of them.It's the NZR high-performance (Pro rugby) department that needs a clean-out.
If the HP dept recommended the appointment of Robertson to the NZR board on the basis of his pitch as a "culture coach," they should be booted right now.Of all the head honchos in the current NZR hierarchy; i have got the most faith in Kirk to identify the problems, and get the correct "adjustments" implemented.
We are of a similar vintage/background, so i'm making the assumption that his thoughts are along the same lines as mine.
Smart guy, and he looks like he could be a prick when he needs to be.He needs to kick the hubris out the NZR HP dept.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2025:
Before the slide becomes clear and obvious to everyone.
Any semi-astute observer (including all our opposition) will have latched onto this.
Our challenge now is ot reverse it. That's not just the coach. Development, comps, talent ID etc all need a really good look.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
You look at that fucking pukey video they did on him around the Mt when he got the job and you just want to see people fired inside and outside NZRU.
The fanboy wankfest of that made me want to spew.
Utterly embarrassing and indirectly very insulting to Ian Foster.
I don't think it was indirect.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?That is one of the most bullshit things I have ever read. Head Coach FFS.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?Worth repeating, this is why Leon MacDonald left. He believed he was going to have more of a say but then discovered he was effectively reporting into Hansen.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
That's a fascinating article - confirms a lot of what has been suspected.
Mainly that Mark Robinson has a lot to answer for. That simpleton has singlehandedly ruined NZ rugby.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Worth repeating, this is why Leon MacDonald left. He believed he was going to have more of a say but then discovered he was effectively reporting into Hansen.
Something you heard from a source or read?
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@nostrildamus Source, but I'm sure it's been written about too at this stage.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
Another quote from the article @tim linked to
But Robertson’s vision was never for him to undertake the tasks that most would agree constitute the role of head coach – setting the overall playing vision for the team and then overseeing the delivery of that plan. Instead, Robertson pitched himself as a culture coach, responsible for theming campaigns, communicating one-on-one with players to manage their expectations and career progression. As Robertson confirmed to the Herald this week in Cardiff, it is his assistant, Scott Hansen, who effectively operates in the role most would recognise as the head coach.the question needs to be asked that if Hansen had applied to be the head coach in 2023, would he have been given the role?It's all starting to make sense now.
There's a golden rule politicians know about trying to use the media - Ride the tiger and the tiger will eventually eat you.
NZR should've kept the RWC 23 team.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Worth repeating, this is why Leon MacDonald left. He believed he was going to have more of a say but then discovered he was effectively reporting into Hansen.
Something you heard from a source or read?
If Hansen has that much power he should have applied as head coach.He could have had Razor as assistant "Cool Uncle".
