All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years
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Whilst I agree with the main point here, Ben Franks wasn't exactly Mr Impact - there is no need to choose these players only on their ability to affect play through ball running etc - we still need cleaners and a strong set piece.
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Parsons mentioned on Aotearoa Rugby Pod that he would pick Savea, Sititi, Kirifi and Jacobsen as his first four choices in the loose and then said the last two were up in the air. Blackadder, Lakai, Finau, Papali'i and Parker are all obvious options that could be in the frame.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@gt12 Some might say that Ben was very dynamic with his carries compared to Owen.
Barry Schwartz says the secret to happiness is low expectations.
Ben Franks was an excellent cleaner and incredibly mobile around the field.
I think there are 4 or 5 in here, one which saves the movement.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@gt12 Some might say that Ben was very dynamic with his carries compared to Owen.
Barry Schwartz says the secret to happiness is low expectations.
Ben Franks was an excellent cleaner and incredibly mobile around the field.
I think there are 4 or 5 in here, one which saves the movement.
@gt12 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@gt12 Some might say that Ben was very dynamic with his carries compared to Owen.
Barry Schwartz says the secret to happiness is low expectations.
Ben Franks was an excellent cleaner and incredibly mobile around the field.
I think there are 4 or 5 in here, one which saves the movement.
One would think both Franks brothers would have been considerably more impressive with the ball in hand considering how into their explosive weightlifting they were
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@gt12 Some might say that Ben was very dynamic with his carries compared to Owen.
Barry Schwartz says the secret to happiness is low expectations.
Ben Franks was an excellent cleaner and incredibly mobile around the field.
I think there are 4 or 5 in here, one which saves the movement.
@gt12 the bash brothers came off the bench that game and just smashed any green jersey at the breakdown. Was one of the features of the final phases.
On the topic of bench impact and use of, in that match we made the following:
Starters: Dagg; Jane, B Smith, Nonu, Savea; Cruden, A Smith; Crockett, Hore, Faumuina, Retallick, Whitelock, Luatua, McCaw, Read.
Replacements: Coles for Hore (42), Crotty for Dagg (52), O Franks for Faumuina (56), Messam for Luatua (56), B Franks for Crockett (60), Barrett for Jane (66).
Not Used: Cane, Perenara.
Messam got more than a quarter to do his thing. A quality set of front row replacements had already worked up a lather by the time the final 10 minutes hit and the intensity went up a few notches.
Having fresh legs is one thing but expecting a forward to come on with less than 10 minutes and perform at a high level is tough even with the most talented player. They need a bit of time to get into it and then be firing once the pressure lifts and to close it out.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Flanders certainly has the skills to hang out on the wing all day.
Flanders to Finau: "you merely adopted the wing. I was born on the wing"
Most tackles and most carries for the Canes vs Brumbies wasn't it?
Don't normally see wingers with those stats...It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
I actually thought Valetini produced the best blindside performance of the SR season in that game. He just physically bullied the Canes forwards, in the carry (bulldozing Gallagher from the restart), in the clean and even in the maul.
Flanders was good in his own way but he wasn't able to dominate the collisions in the way Valetini was able to. Having a guy like that would go some way to solving the loose forward combinations, I think.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
I actually thought Valetini produced the best blindside performance of the SR season in that game. He just physically bullied the Canes forwards, in the carry (bulldozing Gallagher from the restart), in the clean and even in the maul.
Flanders was good in his own way but he wasn't able to dominate the collisions in the way Valetini was able to. Having a guy like that would go some way to solving the loose forward combinations, I think.
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@brodean said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
It was a good shift but he does play very wide and he doesn't hit a lot of rucks. Not sure he's the answer if Savea and Sititi are starting.
In the end that kind of contribution didn't win them the game.
The Brumbies dominated the breakdown. They won 6 turnovers and the Canes won 0.
I actually thought Valetini produced the best blindside performance of the SR season in that game. He just physically bullied the Canes forwards, in the carry (bulldozing Gallagher from the restart), in the clean and even in the maul.
Flanders was good in his own way but he wasn't able to dominate the collisions in the way Valetini was able to. Having a guy like that would go some way to solving the loose forward combinations, I think.
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Yeah he is at the things that matter.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
I'd have to consider Frost in some capacity.
Definitely I'd find a spot for Suaalii in the starting 15.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
They have some good 7s.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
Bell, McReight, Suali'i I'd have in there somewhere, and even Tom Wright and McDermott I feel you could make a case for.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team….except Valetini
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team~~….
except Valetini~~Great having you on the fern Sean Fitzpatrick.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, bobby valetini is the best loose forward in Australasia and its not close.
I wouldn’t pick any Australian in a combined ANZAC team~~….
except Valetini~~Great having you on the fern Sean Fitzpatrick.
@MN5 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Great having you on the fern Sean Fitzpatrick.
I suspect even Sean Fitzpatrick would pick Valetini.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Great having you on the fern Sean Fitzpatrick.
I suspect even Sean Fitzpatrick would pick Valetini.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
@MN5 said in All Blacks - loosie selections in recent years:
Great having you on the fern Sean Fitzpatrick.
I suspect even Sean Fitzpatrick would pick Valetini.
No.
He didn’t pick loads of good Aussie players in 2003. I see no reason why he would select differently now
