2025 All Blacks v France series
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@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@African-Monkey by the same strawman token, I'm definitely not convinced EB dominated them either. And yeah I'm guessing the rest of the ABs should be crusaders too, since they dominated their opposites. Give them credit man!
Bro. I'm not a Crusaders fan in the slightest. I care about NZ rugby, and really couldn't give a shit about any franchise other than enjoying certain styles of play more than others, which changes over time. That's definitely not the current Crusaders - TBH I haven't really liked the way they play since Mehrtens. I railed against Fihaki and Bell last year, think Reihana is nowhere near ready, think we have seen enough of Reece and Havili, and don't think Barrett should be AB captain because his spot is soon going to be under threat from Holland.
I do think the Crusaders dominated the loose forward battles in the play-offs. If EB wasn't a big part of that, then who did it? Grace who's not rated by anyone on here either? Tom Christie who nobody thinks is AB material? Or was it all CLW - who also didn't make the initial squad?
@reprobate said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Tom Christie who nobody thinks is AB material?
He's only good on one side of the ball.
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A 36 year old Englishman playing in a French div 2 comp walking into the ABs 6 jersey?
Times must be tough for the ABs.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Times must be tough for the ABs.
first day on the fern?
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Crusaders start with 4 out of 5 All Black tight five and also one off the bench. The Crusaders tight five sets the platform for their loosies to go nuts. Shalfoon is a hard worker too. The Crusaders loosies aren't doing it on their own.
Besides that the games were very close. The Blues and the Chiefs had their fair share of ball. In the end it was the Crusaders halves and Will Jordan who were the difference between the teams.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Besides that the games were very close. The Blues and the Chiefs had their fair share of ball. In the end it was the Crusaders halves and Will Jordan who were the difference between the teams.
Yep small margins
With 14 men the Blues ground their way from halfway to the goal line with 35 phases to nearly tie the game and send it into extra time.
CLW comes up with a big play to win it. I think CLW was pretty well supported in terms of people wanting to see him get a shot in the ABs (I'm one of them).
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I'm gutted about the Sititi injury, mainly because I finally had hope this year that we would get a loose forward trio consisting of players at 6,7 & 8 that will actually play as 6, 7 or 8.
With Sititi gone they'll probably panic and put Savea back to 8, then we have a Finau, Kirifi, Savea combo... -
Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
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cue someone pointing out "stats dont tell the whole story"
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@brodean very telling and is basically what Razor said re: his omission - not enough impact in contact, which has always been a problem for him. I'm very surprised anyone is still wanting to see him in black based on SR form, he's a reasonable stop-gap measure but we aren't going to mix it with the big boys with him there.
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Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
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Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni LasaqaGainline %
73.6 Veveni LasaqaDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!
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@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni LasaqaGainline %
73.6 Veveni LasaqaDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!He's the anti Blackadder - high impact but also has the lowest workrate in NZ.
Kirifi and Papali'i each average 18 more contact involvements per 80 minutes compared to Lasaqa.
Combine Lasaqa and Blackadder into one player and you get Ardie Savea.
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@Bones said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@African-Monkey by the same strawman token, I'm definitely not convinced EB dominated them either. And yeah I'm guessing the rest of the ABs should be crusaders too, since they dominated their opposites. Give them credit man!
Bro. I'm not a Crusaders fan in the slightest. I care about NZ rugby, and really couldn't give a shit about any franchise other than enjoying certain styles of play more than others, which changes over time. That's definitely not the current Crusaders - TBH I haven't really liked the way they play since Mehrtens. I railed against Fihaki and Bell last year, think Reihana is nowhere near ready, think we have seen enough of Reece and Havili, and don't think Barrett should be AB captain because his spot is soon going to be under threat from Holland.
I do think the Crusaders dominated the loose forward battles in the play-offs. If EB wasn't a big part of that, then who did it? Grace who's not rated by anyone on here either? Tom Christie who nobody thinks is AB material? Or was it all CLW - who also didn't make the initial squad?
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@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
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@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni LasaqaGainline %
73.6 Veveni LasaqaDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!@Callcentre-Spunk said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni LasaqaGainline %
73.6 Veveni LasaqaDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.
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@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
He's probably tried but might not be able to, especially at 30.
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@Callcentre-Spunk said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni LasaqaGainline %
73.6 Veveni LasaqaDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.
Lasaqa doesn't hit enough rucks for a 7 and is ineffective:
Rucks Per 80 Minutes
35.34 Dalton Papali'i
32.44 Tom Christie
31.48 Du'Plessis Kirifi
29.13 Jahrome Brown
28.53 Ardie Savea
26.84 Luke Jacobson
26.31 Kaylum Boshier
20.92 Veveni LasaqaAttacking Ruck Effectiveness
89.9 Dalton Papali'i
89.6 Tom Christie
87.6 Jahrome Brown
86.3 Ardie Savea
85.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
84.9 Luke Jacobson
76.5 Veveni Lasaqa
76.1 Kaylum BoshierDefensive Ruck Effectiveness
23.5 Kaylum Boshier
23.2 Luke Jacobson
21.5 Du'Plessis Kirifi
20.5 Ardie Savea
15.2 Jahrome Brown
14.5 Dalton Papali'i
13.8 Tom Christie
12.1 Veveni Lasaqa -
@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
What, get even heavier than 118kg ? ( apparently )
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@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.
Sure, but he's is not that small
I think it's something else. Coaches of his and EB himself have joked about how unco he is. Too often he gets himself into weak positions going into contact and crumbles/bounces off etc
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Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected. -
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:
Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:
Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan BlackadderGainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan BlackadderDominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan BlackadderWhen Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.
Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.Does smashing small first fives not count ?
