England v All Blacks
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@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
@cgrant I disagree. I think Simon Parker is a project worth persevering with and Twickenham is great stage for him to show what he's got. I think his ball carrying will cause England some real problems.
What is your opinion now ?
@cgrant On the plus side he disrupted the English lineout and made ten tackles.
On the negative, he made three carries for zero metres gained and he doesn't hit enough rucks.
Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.
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@cgrant On the plus side he disrupted the English lineout and made ten tackles.
On the negative, he made three carries for zero metres gained and he doesn't hit enough rucks.
Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.
Vaii's defence at 6 was truly terrible. @brodean has the stats on that. Beehre will play lock for the Blues. Cam Christie is our player to watch there.
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@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.
Vaii's defence at 6 was truly terrible. @brodean has the stats on that. Beehre will play lock for the Blues. Cam Christie is our player to watch there.
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.
Cam Christie is our player to watch there.
Only 21, but behind both Simon Parker and Devan Flanders for me at the moment.
God knows, what's going on with Samipeni Finau and why he had to go home?
6 will be a very open jersey next year.
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@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Lakai has been superb also
Rewatched the game - yes I know Iβd usually rather poke my eyes out than rewatch an AB test loss - but wanted to see if my feeling of how we used Lakai or better yet how things just played out was correct.
We used him far too much. This is not a slight on Peter for his high work rate and usage, but he had a disproportionate number of carries because either he had got back into the line quicker or he was just there. It was unusual for how we have used other forward ball carriers throughout the year, even with the mountain of possession we had from England set piece losses and the ball we generated from the ruck.
I think it goes without saying that Lakai wouldβve been far more effective if he did not have to shoulder so many carries.
@ACT-Crusader
Lakai was getting stuck in.
We can all see that our attack was rubbish. We literally give up at times and it results in a hope and hoist or low percentage cross kick by BB.
Ironically we have more attack runners than we have had in a long time but are using them ineffectively. Players like Sami, Williams, Vaai, Sititi, Lakai, Savea, Roigard, DMac, Jordan, Clarke are all good runners.
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The most improved player for England this autumn is Immanuel Feyi-Waboso. He was all over the shop for England A against France A in June.
Yesterday he made most line breaks (3) and topped metres gained (99). A massive threat for England every time he touched the ball. He topped dominant tackles too with two.
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@cgrant On the plus side he disrupted the English lineout and made ten tackles.
On the negative, he made three carries for zero metres gained and he doesn't hit enough rucks.
Tupou Vaii and Josh Beehre will better options for the ABs at 6 in 2026, maybe Devan Flanders too.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
On the negative, he made three carries for zero metres gained and he doesn't hit enough rucks.
<= 0.49m you round down?
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The most improved player for England this autumn is Immanuel Feyi-Waboso. He was all over the shop for England A against France A in June.
Yesterday he made most line breaks (3) and topped metres gained (99). A massive threat for England every time he touched the ball. He topped dominant tackles too with two.
@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:
The most improved player for England this autumn is Immanuel Feyi-Waboso. He was all over the shop for England A against France A in June.
Yesterday he made most line breaks (3) and topped metres gained (99). A massive threat for England every time he touched the ball. He topped dominant tackles too with two.
Yeah, he is a serious weapon. England have a plethora of quick wingers - him, Arundell, Radwan to name three.
England have the cattle to win a couple of 6N and genuinely contend for a WC in 2027. It just comes down to coaching.
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@ACT-Crusader
Lakai was getting stuck in.
We can all see that our attack was rubbish. We literally give up at times and it results in a hope and hoist or low percentage cross kick by BB.
Ironically we have more attack runners than we have had in a long time but are using them ineffectively. Players like Sami, Williams, Vaai, Sititi, Lakai, Savea, Roigard, DMac, Jordan, Clarke are all good runners.
Send in Mauss to give Razor the heads up.@BerniesCorner said in England Vs All Blacks:
Lakai was getting stuck in.
He impresses me. Just doesn't give in, looks composed and seems like a bloke who gets pissed off with losing.
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Also Wilson: "We spent years, and years trying to work out how to win World Cups. We let all that expertise walk out the door, and now those coaches don't want a bar of us. We burned those bridges."
That is not something that I ever expected to hear on the Breakdown.
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Also Wilson: "We spent years, and years trying to work out how to win World Cups. We let all that expertise walk out the door, and now those coaches don't want a bar of us. We burned those bridges."
That is not something that I ever expected to hear on the Breakdown.
Hate to keep banging the same old drum, but a fish rots from the head down. When people like Gilbert Enoka publicly express disgust at the treatment of AB coaches and players by those who run NZR, you know where the real problems lie.
The most important selection in NZ rugby isn't 10, Robertson's assistants or himself, - it's the NZR CEO
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@akan004 said in England Vs All Blacks:
Even our scrum is under pressure. Ratima is as stupid as they come, clear it FFS.
I have severe doubts about Lordβs scrummaging. No point in tank with four cylinder engine.
@pakman said in England Vs All Blacks:
@akan004 said in England Vs All Blacks:
Even our scrum is under pressure. Ratima is as stupid as they come, clear it FFS.
I have severe doubts about Lordβs scrummaging. No point in tank with four cylinder engine.
Lord basically half stood up when we gave away a
scrum penalty with Codie off. Rassie would have
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@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
The English are the worst team in World Rugby to lose to and we did it so well!
Wales says hold my beer
@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
The English are the worst team in World Rugby to lose to and we did it so well!
Wales says hold my beer
That view upsets the narrative. Back in your box please. We are the fluffybunnies.
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@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
The English are the worst team in World Rugby to lose to and we did it so well!
Wales says hold my beer
That view upsets the narrative. Back in your box please. We are the fluffybunnies.
@Catogrande said in England Vs All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Devon-Kiwi said in England Vs All Blacks:
The English are the worst team in World Rugby to lose to and we did it so well!
Wales says hold my beer
That view upsets the narrative. Back in your box please. We are the fluffybunnies.
No, we are the fluffybunnies.
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This is who you lost to
@MiketheSnow said in England Vs All Blacks:
This is who you lost to
Iβd be embarrassed if I hadnβt seen some of Ardie and Reikos social media efforts
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@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.
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The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.
Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.
Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.
@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.
The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.
Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.
Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.
You would have liked the photo of Ardie sitting against the post after the game so his social media dickriders could wank on about how wonderful he is.
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This is who you lost to
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This is who you lost to
@MiketheSnow Not bothered about them enjoyed their happy moments.
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Honestly, we can talk about moments, but one thing really stuck out for me all game. Short carries.
England: scrummie passes once, they make 2-3 metres.
NZ. Scrummie passes once, we make 0 metres.
It was that simple stat which killed us. Meant they were going forwards with the ball, and we werenβt. The whole game was won and lost right there.
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@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.
The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.
Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.
Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.
@Jet said in England Vs All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Tim said in England Vs All Blacks:
Around 32:30 we nearly scored in the corner, then meekly allowed England to drive us off the ball. See if you can spot a loose forward in these pictures ... Savea stands way off the ruck and looks disinterested. Terrible openside. Absolutely shithouse selection. They never even looked interested in the follow-up ruck after LF was tackled.
The much maligned Sam Cane at his peak would have cleaned someone out there.
Rewatch Crotty try after the hooter that won us the game in Dublin in 2013. The cleanout work is incredible. The Franks brothers made the try. Messam makes a bust down the right edge at one point and McCaw absolutely melts an irish player in the clean.
Watch it. Watch all the unseen stuff. Compare it to what we are served up by the current bunch.
Imagine current BB is the 10 in that team. We don't win that, he has a panic attack and does something stupid.
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@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
Ratpoo would do it wouldn't he? He has no more bridges to burn
But it doesn't mean much coming out of haters of NZ rugby like him - and the above discussed Devlin, they're just getting to exercise the chips on their shoulders. We need one of the pro NZR/Crusaders journos to get stuck in.
